Template:Did you know nominations/Piano Sonata No. 2 (Chopin)
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
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Piano Sonata No. 2 (Chopin)
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Beginning of the Marche funèbre
- ... that the earliest part of Chopin's first mature piano sonata, Piano Sonata No. 2, is a Marche funèbre (beginning pictured)? Source:
- Reviewed: Flint Public Library (Flint, Michigan)
Improved to Good Article status by Zingarese (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC).
@Gerda Arendt: This article is good in terms of length, having the hook cited, and its recent promotion to good article status. But, it doesn't seem like every paragraph ends with a citation, and the hook can be a bit confusing (is it the first movement, or the earliest written part). I'd suggest changing "the earliest part" to "the first written part" or "the earliest written part" (with a preference for the latter). Then, all you would have to do is clean up the citation problems, and you'd be good to go. RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 17:05, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review! For the citations, you will have to wait for the author. I know that the description of music can be seen like a plot section, which doesn't require a citation. - Perhaps Zingarese has also an idea for the hook, because - sorry - "earliest written part" before we even know of what seems many words. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- I was basing "earliest written part" off of "The compositional origins of the Piano Sonata No. 2[...]", by the way. For the citations, I see uncited information in both the "Reception and legacy" section, and the "Available editions and recordings" section. RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 17:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hi RileyBugz and Gerda Arendt: I added a citation for the unsourced information in the Reception and legacy section - it appears I inadvertently forgot to do so earlier. For the available editions and recordings section, however, i do not feel that is necessary - other good articles such as Violin Concerto (Mendelssohn) and Schubert's last sonatas don't have citations in their respective sections either. I could add AllMusic/Discogs/etc citations after each recording artist's name that would just indicate that the recording really exists, but that would take some time and I am increasingly busy in real life these days. Again, other GAs/FAs of musical compositions have recordings sections which are, for the most part, without inline citations. Zingarese talk · contribs 17:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- I also agree with Gerda that his hook is fine as it is. Another hook could be
- I was basing "earliest written part" off of "The compositional origins of the Piano Sonata No. 2[...]", by the way. For the citations, I see uncited information in both the "Reception and legacy" section, and the "Available editions and recordings" section. RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 17:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review! For the citations, you will have to wait for the author. I know that the description of music can be seen like a plot section, which doesn't require a citation. - Perhaps Zingarese has also an idea for the hook, because - sorry - "earliest written part" before we even know of what seems many words. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- ALT2 "... that the Marche funebre from Chopin's Piano Sonata No. 2 was played at the funerals of John F. Kennedy and Margaret Thatcher?" Zingarese talk · contribs 17:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with the hook you propose, Zingarese, but I feel that the original hook is ambiguous. When I first read it, I thought that it meant that the funeral march was the first movement. Thus, I think that in its current state, that hook is too ambiguous (and it doesn't seem to be intentionally going for that). RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 17:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- I am not happy with two funerals ;)
- ALT1: ... that Chopin's Piano Sonata No. 2, his first mature piano sonata, contains as its third movement a Marche funèbre (beginning pictured), which was composed earlier than the other music? Feel free to polish. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
– ALT1. Nice job on the hook and article, Gerda Arendt and Zingarese! RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 18:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- @RileyBugz: I have labelled Zingarese' hook suggestion as ALT2. I think it is more interesting than ALT1. Would you be able to formally approve it (with a tick)? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:35, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- It would need formatting, and is it about music, and Chopin's working style, or some famous people? Famous funeral marches are played at famous people's funerals, - nothing specific to THIS work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- At those funerals, was it even played on a piano, or in an arrangement? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- @RileyBugz: I have labelled Zingarese' hook suggestion as ALT2. I think it is more interesting than ALT1. Would you be able to formally approve it (with a tick)? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:35, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with the hook you propose, Zingarese, but I feel that the original hook is ambiguous. When I first read it, I thought that it meant that the funeral march was the first movement. Thus, I think that in its current state, that hook is too ambiguous (and it doesn't seem to be intentionally going for that). RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 17:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
