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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Orlady (talk) 19:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Portrait of Anne Hathaway

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  • Comment: I know it's a few days late, but I'm hoping that someone would apply WP:IAR and accept this nom. I really like this hook, esp. when the other Anne Hathaway is playing Catwoman in many cinemas around the world. --PFHLai (talk) 00:07, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Created/expanded by Paul Barlow (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 00:07, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm okay with the timeliness, it was created and expanded to a good size within 5 days. I'm concerned about two things: (1) the page said it's purported to be a portrait of Anne Hathaway, but doesn't say this is confirmed. Also, (2) the "Sir Nathaniel Curzon" section is undersourced. On another note, the image of the portrait is free, why not use it? Assuming it shows up at that size, given it's a bit grainy. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:18, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
I didn't submit this, so may be I am missing the point. I created the article itself. However, to respond - it doesn't say it's confirmed because it isn't confirmed. The authenticity section discusses that. I don't understand what you mean by "why not use it" (ie the image). Paul B (talk) 19:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
I know you didn't submit this, but I tagged your talk page because I felt you might be best able to help the sourcing. You don't need to worry about the hook and use of image, we can take care of that. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the review, Muboshgu. As explained by Paul B below, let's not show the 1708 picture. --PFHLai (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
OK. I'm guessing that the nominator wanted to be deliberately ambiguous to create a teaser - leaving readers to wonder how a portrait of the actress could have been created in 1708. Using the image would be a bit of a give away that it isn't her! BTW, it's still a portrait of AH even if it is not "authentic" (ie painted from life, or rather copied from an image that was). An imagined portrait of X is still a portrait of X, just as portraits of Jesus, for example, are. I'll try to improve the sourcing for the section, but that bit depends on archive material accessed by User:JschneiderWiki. Paul B (talk) 20:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, Paul B. Yes, you are better at explaining what I was trying to achieve than I would ever do. I assume most people nowadays are more familiar with , the current AH. Showing would be too much of a give-away. --PFHLai (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I am the University Librarian and Professor in the University Libraries at Colgate University who created the original article by examining the Colgate Third Folio and transcribing the original notes and describing how they and other items appear such as Anne Hathaway Shakespear's portrait itself and the poem both initialed by Sir Nathaniel Curzon. In fact, I was just examining it again this afternoon. I can add references to published material about it this weekend. Joanne A. Schneider (JschneiderWiki).
Thank you, Professor. Glad to have you on board. Depending on how much you type into the wikiarticle, you might qualify for {DYKmake} credit. Thanks, again. Looking forward to seeing this DYK hook on MainPage. Cheers, everyone! :-) --PFHLai (talk) 04:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Great. I agree about the image, was just throwing out the idea. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Still undersourced in that section. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:17, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Could you say what needs to be sourced, specifically? Paul B (talk) 16:57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I see the first paragraph in that section now has a source. The paragraph "The verses referred to are found on the third flyleaf beneath Ben Jonson's verse referencing Martin Droeshout's famous portrait engraving of Shakespeare on the facing page. Inscribed in ink by Sir Nathaniel, followed by his initials and the year 1708, they are:" needs one. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
That's covered by existing sources (the SAB and the Colgate library record of the Folio), but I have added them to the sentence. Paul B (talk) 17:57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I assumed other sources would cover it, but we needed the citations. Good to go, I added the word "purported" to the hook since it's not confirmed to be Hathaway. Here's an ALT.


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