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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 17:33, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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Raid of the Ghetto of Rome

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Memorial to the raid
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  • Reviewed: Battle of Meligalas
  • Comment: Other variations possible. Special occasion date 16 October.

5x expanded by Turismond (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 01:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Great article. I made some copyedits / updates along the way so please check them. I personally like ALT0 the most (though 2% is not explicitly mentioned in the article, the number of survivors v. the number of those who were killed match to less than 2%. Special ocassion request for October 16. MX (✉ • ✎) 18:17, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Note: the 2% is necessary because sources differ as to whether 15 or 16 people survived. May be run with or without image. Personally, I prefer ALT1 without the image. Catrìona (talk) 22:20, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Got it. Even with 15 or 16 survivors, it is still less than 2%. Note: ALT1 is the nominator's favorite for October 16. MX (✉ • ✎) 03:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote ALT1, and first did some copyediting on the article. The dates and figures of how many were deported are not backed up by the sources. The German source is the only one that mentions 1,259 deported on October 16. The Jerusalem Post says 1,125 were deported on October 16. Haaretz says 1,035 were deported on October 18. The Holocaust Research project says 1,270 minus 235 (total: 1,035) were deported on October 18. Since there is so much discrepancy, I suggest adding a note as to the different dates and totals, and I question why you are using the German source as the definitive one. Isn't there a definitive page from Yad Vashem? Yoninah (talk) 13:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Actually, the mention of "under his very windows" doesn't appear in the article, so ALT1 and ALT2 aren't eligible. Which leaves us with no hook, if the 2 percent figure is not verifiable. Yoninah (talk) 13:19, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, 1,035 seems to be the most widely accepted figure. I followed your (good) advice and checked Yad Vashem, it too supports this number under Jews of Rome Deported to Auschwitz as the minimum number deported. As to the 16 survivors of those, that seems to be widely agreed on by the sources, too. The less than 2%, also not explicitly mentioned in any source, is a permissible routine calculation, I believe. In regards to the different dates, the answer is extremely simple: The round up was on 16 October and the deportation of the victims happened two days later, on the 18th. This is actually stated in the article in "The raid" section. Turismond (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

plus Added phrase "under his very windows" and relationship to the event. Catrìona (talk) 19:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Restoring tick for ALT1 per MX's review. Yoninah (talk) 17:30, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
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