Template:Did you know nominations/Reeva Steenkamp

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The result was: promoted by Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 22:30, 27 March 2013 (UTC).

Reeva Steenkamp

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~~... that, before she was killed, Reeva Steenkamp was ranked one of the FHM South Africa's "100 Sexiest Women" in 2012?~~

ALT1:~~... that Reeva Steenkamp started her modeling career at the age of 14?~~
ALT2:~~... that Reeva Steenkamp was ranked one of the FHM South Africa's "100 Sexiest Women" in 2012?~~
Reviewed: Bill Hanson (basketball)
Comment: I think I may be missing more people to credit for. Nevertheless, I don't think that's important right now. Will add more if people request deserving credentials.

Created/expanded by Norbert Bangert (talk), Racklever (talk), HelenOnline (talk), 99of9 (talk), and BabbaQ (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 07:41, 18 February 2013 (UTC).

Article is new enough, long enough, and well-referenced. Hooks are verified with inline references. I prefer the main hook. -Zanhe (talk) 10:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I am not sure where to put this comment. For me, one of the most unusual facts about this story is that Steenkamp appeared in a reality TV show that premiered two days after her death. The fact that she started modelling at 14 and was ranked one of FHM's sexiest women in a particular year is not that remarkable to me. HelenOnline (talk) 16:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with HelenOnline - the proposed hooks are rather bland and unremarkable - they are true of literally thousands of models, but the TV show launching so soon after her death is far more remarkable. Roger (talk) 17:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that South African model Reeva Steenkamp appeared in the reality TV show Tropika Island of Treasure which premiered two days after her death?

Sorry I am not familiar with DYK process, please can someone put above proposed alternative hook where it should be? HelenOnline (talk) 17:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

There's no need to put ALTs above them. In fact, others have done that before. You'll learn better. By the way, here is another similar hook:

ALT3a: ~~... that, after she was killed, the South African model Reeva Steenkamp appeared posthumously in the reality television series Tropika Island of Treasure?~~

prefer ALT3b: ~~... that the South African model Reeva Steenkamp appeared posthumously in the reality television series Tropika Island of Treasure?~~ HelenOnline (talk) 06:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll notify the review about this. --George Ho (talk) 17:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Um, is this seriously a good idea? I did something similar last year with Gemma McCluskie and there was a lot of negative responses directed at both DYK and myself for it. I just don't think that it'll be considered to be in good taste. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

That hook was about the actual death, this one is not. I don't think Steenkamp's death or "killing" should be mentioned at all. HelenOnline (talk) 06:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Saw this at the Reeva Steenkamp page. I agree with Miyagawa that this is probably not a very good idea. AIRcorn (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

All hooks are verified. I personally prefer ATL3, as it was an extraordinary decision for the TV station to air the show two days after her death, but all others are fine too. -Zanhe (talk) 12:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

What's so remarkable about being on a TV show after your death? This happens time and again. Hell, Larry Hagman is still airing on Dallas after he died. The star of Il Postino died the day after filming wrapped, and the film was released after death. This happens all the time. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 06:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Premiering a show featuring a homicide victim two days after her death is far more remarkable than airing reruns of an old actor who died of natural cause. Besides, this is DYK, not ITN; the hook certainly meets DYK standards for interestingness. -Zanhe (talk) 14:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

They're not reruns Dallas (2012 TV series) is airing new production. So, do we have hooks for Heath Ledger (The Dark Knight) ; Vic Morrow (The Twilight Zone) ; Brandon Lee (The Crow) ; Massimo Troisi (Il Postino) ; etc as well? -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:05, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

You can use icons (ticks/?/"/"/X), but I recommend using it appropiately. --George Ho (talk) 01:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, hooks for Heath Ledger, Brandon Lee, etc. could qualify for DYK if their articles were expanded five times or more within the past five days. You still seem to be confusing DYK with ITN, so please familiarize yourself with the rules at WP:DYK. The purpose of DYK is to feature new content, and for that purpose the current nomination certainly qualifies. -Zanhe (talk) 07:13, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment - Although I'm not going to insert a symbol of any kind on this nomination, I feel sufficiently strongly to wish to make a cautionary comment: is the article really stable enough at the moment to appear on the main page? Within the six/seven days since it was created, the article has already been queried as a speedy delete, a merger debate, had notability tags put on and taken off, a redirect and a few instances of vandalism. The article may draw further - possibly un-constructive - attention before reaching the main page as it is such a high profile case attracting a significant amount of media attention.

I appreciate Wikipedia is a collaboration so my thoughts are not in any way significant, additionally I don't have a great deal of experience with DYK, but I personally don't feel it's appropriate to feature this article as a DYK at the moment. SagaciousPhil - Chat 07:23, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

You're right. Although the speedy-delete discussion seems to be over, I did not realize there's a move proposal that's still open. Let's wait till that discussion is closed before marking it as ready. -Zanhe (talk) 07:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if Zanhe's prior reviews are reliable anymore. Besides ongoing move request, the editing hasn't died down yet, the article is semi-protected until February 28 for vandalism, and there are too many citations. I did nominate it because it's a new and decent-written article. However, since then, people try to prove how notable she is, but I see unremarkable information other than her modeling, television appearances, and her infamous death. Rather than withdraw the nomination, I'll have more experienced, if not professional, person totally review the WHOLE article when the editing dies down. --George Ho (talk) 06:39, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Besides concurrent move request, another request to create an article solely about her death has been made. --George Ho (talk) 05:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I think it's time to wrap this nomination up. The move request was closed as Not Move, and the request to create the article Death of Reeva Steenkamp has not been done (that page is redirecting to Reeva Steenkamp). Some kind of discussion is going on at Talk:Oscar Pistorius to move material to Death of Reeva Steenkamp, but the discussion is largely opposed on that one, too. This page seems stable enough now to proceed with DYK. New enough, long enough, well-referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in sources. QPQ done. IMO, ALT3 is the better hook. Re ALT3b: a person cannot "appear posthumously" on TV, but the show can air 2 days after the person's death. ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)