Template:Did you know nominations/Royal Tunbridge Wells
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The result was: promoted by Carabinieri (talk) 03:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC).
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Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells , Opera House, Royal Tunbridge Wells, Tunbridge Wells RFC, Roger Clarke (rugby administrator), Colin Smart
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- ... that Royal Tunbridge Wells has a Church dedicated to King Charles I that had no vicar for 33 years, an Opera House (pictured) that became a pub and a rugby club whose alumni include an RFU regional administrator and aftershave drinking Colin Smart?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Whalsay Parish Church, Template:Did you know nominations/Interpretatio Christiana, Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Hogg (sodomy defendant), Template:Did you know nominations/Te Aroha by-election, 1891, Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Clark (conductor)
Created by The C of E (talk). Self nominated at 15:50, 1 March 2013 (UTC).
- Note: I will start reviewing these very soon. I will add review comments as I go along. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:21, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Review 1: Tunbridge Wells RFC
- Was previously a one-sentence stub; an expansion took place from 1st March
- Prose size now 1,571 bytes
- All online references checked; they all support the sentences/facts in question, and no close paraphrasing or copyvio noted.
- I asked myself: is the club notable? I checked Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union/Notability/Clubs for guidance. Per point 4, they have "provided an administrator, player or coach of a High Performance Union" (Martin Corry of England), so I'm happy with that. As another test, I noted that they have played at Level 6 of the rugby "pyramid"—the same level as occupied by my local team, Haywards Heath RFC (who have an article).
- Overall I am happy to mark this as verified.
Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:38, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Review 2: Roger Clarke (rugby administrator)
- Created on 1st March.
- Page size is 1,573 bytes, and marked as Start-class.
- Notability is a little sketchy. Apart from the ESPN ref, which only mentions Clarke briefly, all references are to local/regional newspaper articles – except the interview in The Grocer, which although focused on his "other" career is probably the main thing that confers notability (chief exec of a national body, the National Federation of Retail Newsagents). Could I request comment from other reviewers on notability here, please?
- Refs all support the facts they relate to. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:48, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Well under point 2 of WP:ANYBIO, I'd have thought that modernizing part of a national body as well as expanding it by personally setting up a symbol group would fulfill notability. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 13:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- I am certainly leaning towards "sufficiently notable", and will mark as such unless anybody raises a valid policy-based objection. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- See below for my additional comment. Am now marking as verified: Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- See below for my additional comment. Am now marking as verified:
- I am certainly leaning towards "sufficiently notable", and will mark as such unless anybody raises a valid policy-based objection. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Review 3: Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells
- Now here's a subject I'm very familiar with! I have done some research into this church, and I took the photo used in the article (hopefully that doesn't rule me out of reviewing!)
- This is one of the best documented churches in southeast England because of its singular nature (date of construction, intricate interior, early non-parished status etc). Notability is absolutely unquestioned. I have several book sources at home that could be used for future expansion; as this stage, the article can be considered a decent start using online refs.
- The hook fact is supported by a book which I don't have access to, but I believe I have seen the same statement in other books I have read. I can check this later. Much of the history section is supported by the English Heritage listing info.
- Creation date was 1st March again; prose size is currently 1,629 bytes, and there are no Stub tags.
- Happy to mark as verified AGF (but in the expectation I can find an additional source supporting the hook in one of my books); also happy to help with future expansion of this article.
Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:04, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Other two article reviews to follow. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:04, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Review 4: Opera House, Royal Tunbridge Wells
- Created on 1st March again.
- Page size is 1,774 bytes, and marked as Start-class.
- Refs are of appropriate standard: English Heritage, The Theatres Trust and so on; reliable.
- The hook fact is supported by ref [2] and obviously by Wetherspoons' own page.
- I have a query about the dates. Most sources, both within the article and offline ones I have consulted tonight, agree on 1902 as the opening date (I checked John Newman (1969), Buildings of England: West Kent and the Weald, and he gave 1897; but date errors are not unknown in the BoE series), but I cannot see where the quoted founding date of 10 October 1901 comes from. It's not in ref [2]; please could you check?
- I will mark as
until that small issue is resolved. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 18:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've removed the statement. I can't remember where I got that from either! The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:44, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Noted; I am marking as verified accordingly. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Noted; I am marking as verified accordingly.
Review 5: Colin Smart
- Created on 1st March.
- Page size is 1,832 bytes, and marked as Start-class.
- The somewhat bizarre "Aftershave Incident" is documented in The Times and The Guardian, among other places, so I'm happy that Mr Smart did not live up to his name and did indeed drink a bottle of it.
- Sourcing is fine: all are adequately reliable and independent.
- The ref used to mention that he played for TWRFC is a set of answers to the local paper's quiz of the year; unfortunately the questions don't seem to be linked on that page (although I can guess what the question must have been!). However, that particular fact is also mentioned in ref [2] (this). I recommend adding that ref after that sentence.
- Anyway, I have been able to verify that he played for TW, so for this article. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:31, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Going back to Roger Clarke (rugby administrator): having now consulted Wikipedia:Notability#Why we have these requirements, I think the article as it stands meets all of the "We require..." statements; so I will mark that one as verified as well.
- Going back to Roger Clarke (rugby administrator): having now consulted Wikipedia:Notability#Why we have these requirements, I think the article as it stands meets all of the "We require..." statements; so I will mark that one as verified as well.
- In summary, this five-parter is good to go. Per rule C3, the hook length is OK once all five bolded links are taken into account. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:31, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, and the Opera House pic is suitably licensed for Main Page use. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)