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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:09, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Rubén Oseguera González

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Created/expanded by ComputerJA (talk). Self-nominated at 17:21, 14 March 2017 (UTC).

  • Basically everything checks out. This is an incredible article on an interesting figure, with much of this information before now not available to English speakers! Thank you for your hard work! This article was created new on March 10, has more than enough words, looks well written and well-cited, and there are no obvious copyvios. The hook is interesting and very catchy, although I would suggest flipping "suspected" and "Mexican" around. One more thing, per WP:NOENG, can I request that you pull the relevant Spanish quote(s) from your sources and translate them for me? Other than that little nitpick, everything checks out! Thank you again for your great work on this article! --haha169 (talk) 12:42, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @Haha169:: Hi! Thanks for your review. I figured this article would be quite difficult to review and verify its sources. Here is the info to verify the hook: In January 2014, he was arrested in Zapopan, Jalisco, for the first time (Quote: 30 de enero de 2014: Detienen por primera vez a El Menchito, en Zapopan [3]). He was released in October 2014 from the maximum security prison known as Altiplano, but was immediately re-captured and sent to the SEIDO federal agency (Quote: el 16 de octobre de 2015, Oseguera González salió del penal de máxima seguridad número 1 "Altiplano", en Almoloya de Juárez, pero agentes de la Policía Federal ya lo estaban esperando para transladarlo a la Subprocuraduría Especializada en Investigación de Delincuencia Organizada [4]). He was released from prison again on December 2014 for lack of evidences (Quote: Pero el 26 de diciembre pasado, Rubén Oseguera González, "El Menchito", fue dejado en libertad, presumiblemente por "falta de pruebas" para ser sentenciado. [5]). In June 2015, he was sent to prison again (Quote: Recapturan a “El Menchito”, hijo del líder del Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación [6]). He was released in July 2015 after a judge ordered his release, but he was re-arrested hours later by federal authorities (Quote: penas horas después de que una jueza ordenara su liberación, Rubén Oseguera González, conocido como el Menchito, fue recapturado por fuerzas federales [7]) As far as switching "Mexican" and "suspected", the change is now done. Would this wording suggest that he is a "suspected Mexican", which he isn't? ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 13:15, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @ComputerJA: I shouldn't think so; I'm not the best at explaining grammar and maybe someone else can offer an opinion, but "suspected Mexican drug lord" should be the correct phrasing. In context, it is obvious that the "suspected" refers to "drug lord", whereas "Mexican suspected drug lord" is awkwardly phrased.
As for the timeline, I'm going to list them out here below for reference:
  1. January 2014, arrested for first time. (your quote doesn't appear in the article, but the article does have the relevant information, "“El Menchito” fue detenido en una residencia de Zapopan el 30 de enero de 2014 por autoridades militares".)
  2. October 2014, released and immediately re-arrested (quote and translation checks out)
  3. December 2014, released from prison (quote and translation checks out)
  4. June 2015, back to prison (quote and translation checks out)
  5. July 2015, released and re-arrested (quote and translation checks out)
Based on the timeline above, I would say that yes, González was released three times in one year. Everything checks out, good to go! If possible though, see if you can find a single source that outright says he was released three times in one year, as that would be much more convenient. This might be pushing WP:OR just a little. --haha169 (talk) 13:42, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @Haha169: – My mistake, I meant to put this source for the first quote. This source states he was released from prison three times (and gives a timeline of the events that show it was in less than a year) (Quote: ... pero en tres ocasiones ha quedado en libertad). The source confuses the first released with January 1, 2015, instead of December 28, 2014, however. Most sources I researched agreed with the December 28th date. I've added a footnote for that. Thanks again! ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 13:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but do not see an inline cite for the first release date of October 16, 2014. Yoninah (talk) 13:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: – Hi, that information is supported by the two sources at the end of the paragraph. I didn't cite the sentence immediately after the claim to avoid WP:OVERCITE since I would be using the same sources later. Was this OK? ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 13:51, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
  • It's a long paragraph. Please add the inline cite after the first sentence for DYK. (You can remove it if you wish after the article appears on the main page.) Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Restoring tick for foreign-language source (although I can verify it with Google Translate) per Haha169's review. Yoninah (talk) 14:07, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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