- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 01:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
* ... that Satan first appears in the Hebrew Bible as a heavenly prosecutor who tempts people into sinning and then accuses them in the heavenly court? Source: Kelly 2006, page ?
Improved to Good Article status by Katolophyromai (talk). Self-nominated at 00:17, 9 February 2018 (UTC).
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Excellent overview, and interesting hooks. However, you have forgotten to add the sources cited. In the ALT1 hook, the sources which match up with the citation numbers [1] and [2] are reliable and support the content. In the main hook, however, I presume this content is supported by footnote 53, which refers to a popular work written by a rabbi with no apparent scholarly training and published by a popular publisher whose standards of editorial oversight are unknown. This work may not suffice as a reliable source, but may be used in combination with a secondary, reliable source, as you usually do in your articles.A secondthird, minor problem is that the picture is not that clear in 100 x 100 px so you may have to choose another one instead.
- In conclusion, I am okay with the ALT1 hook with its excellent alliteration,
but the main hook needs another source. You also need to cite the sources here above in proper format, and replace the picture by a clearer one. Farang Rak Tham (talk) 13:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Farang Rak Tham: You have associated the text with the wrong source. The source I used for the statement in the lead that I used as the source for the hook was Henry Ansgar Kelly's 2006 book Satan: A Biography, published by the Cambridge University Press, which is the main source that is cited for all the information about Satan's origins in the "Historical development" section. I have no idea what made you think that Timoner was the source of the statement, since the only time he is ever cited in the article is to support a statement from the "Modern Judaism" section talking about Satan's role in modern Hasidic Judaism, which has very little to do with his original role in the Hebrew Bible.
- I apologize for my belated response; I read your statements above this morning right after you wrote them and I kept trying to edit the page all day to correct your mistake, but, unfortunately, for some reason I cannot explain, my iPad would not let me edit any of the DYK nomination pages; I could edit other pages, but not these. --Katolophyromai (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, I will then retract my criticism on that point and take a look at the new source.
Meanwhile, please add links to every source next to the hooks above, just like all the other DYK entries. That way me and other editors don't have to guess which sources you have used.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Still waiting for you to add the sources, Katolophyromai. Including page numbers please.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 15:29, 10 February 2018 (UTC)- The main hook contains a reliable source now inserted above, but the pages cited (21-22) do not support the content. There is discussion of a heavenly prosecutor on pages 25-26 of the book, but I am not able to access those pages. In the Wiki article, you cite page number 24, but that page does not contain any statement about a prosecutor role. So if you still wish to nominate the main hook, please cite the correct page of the book, preferably by a quote(s) from the book itself, and I can approve the hook.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 15:03, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- I think the image is not clear enough for a 100x100 px format, so I have removed it now.
- I am approving the ALT1 hook. --Farang Rak Tham (talk) 15:03, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- I am fine with just using the ALT1 hook. I never really particularly favored either hook over the other. --Katolophyromai (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Katolophyromai, please read my full reply and add the page to the main hook.--
Farang Rak Tham (
talk) 20:39, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Never mind. In retrospect, the main hook does not quite agree with the content in the Wiki article you have written. I am failing the main hook, and passing the ALT1.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 20:46, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Excellent overview, and interesting hooks.