- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 20:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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Schlössle Hotel
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Schlössle Hotel
- ... that Schlössle Hotel (entrance pictured) is the only hotel in Estonia belonging to The Leading Hotels of the World?
- ALT1:... that the buildings of Schlössle Hotel (entrance pictured) in Tallinn date from the Middle Ages?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/White-winged shrike-tanager (One of the two, saving another for a rainy day.)
Created by Yakikaki (talk). Self-nominated at 15:04, 8 September 2015 (UTC).
The article is long enough, was nominated within the time frame of creation, and has no copy-vios or glaring prose issues. However, it needs citations to third-party sources. The sources given are affiliated with the hotel, and while they may be used, additional, significant coverage from outside perspectives needs to be supplied as well. I found the following four sources which provide brief coverage of the hotel:[1], [2], [3], and [4]. However, I had trouble finding sources that give significant, comprehensive coverage. If sources providing significant coverage cannot be found, I will have to fail this article, and it may even end up being deleted.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:06, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your constructive and dedicated review, 3family6! I was slightly reluctant myself to create this article, but this is how I reasoned: it's for starters a member of the Leading Hotels of the World group, and I fail to see why this particular hotel would be considered an insignificant topic for Wikipedia. What makes it less significant than other hotels, which are covered in articles (both members of this group and not)? Indeed, I would argue that since it's the only member of the group in Estonia, that in itself makes it significant enough. Clearly, it is not your average motel. Also, I frankly don't see the problem with the sources. There is no reason to doubt the facts stated in them. My reasoning has been that the fact that the information is provided by the owner is in this case not a problem as long as the article is written in a neutral style and not as an advertisement. Similarly, I've written several articles about medieval Swedish churches with information supplied by the Church of Sweden without anyone ever doubting the significance of the articles. Finally, the building itself is a registered national monument of Estonia, a fact that I'd be happy to incorporate into the article (source: https://register.muinas.ee/public.php?menuID=en_monument&action=view&id=3059). I hope this can convince you to let the article pass and stay on Wikipedia! Best regards, Yakikaki (talk) 16:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yakikaki The sources in the article are good quality. My critique is not that they are unacceptable as sources, but that because they are affiliated with the subject they cannot be used to support the notability of the subject. Notability is based on mention and discussion by third-party reliable sources. That national monument registry is a good find - that is something that will help toward establishing notability. I tried another Google Search, this time with "Hotel Schlossle" instead of "Schlössle Hotel", and I found three more sources, at least one of which deals with the hotel extensively: [5], [6], and [7]. If you work these sources, along with the historic registry entry and some of the sources that I gave in my previous response, into the article, it should satisfy notability concerns.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 14:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hello again, 3family6. I've now done my best to incorporate these sources as you suggested. There's admittedly not too much that one can use (a recurring problem when writing articles about Estonia as long as one doesn't speak the language), but I'd like to thank you for your help and patience. I hope it should now satisfy your concerns? Otherwise, let me know and I'll keep digging! Kind regards, Yakikaki (talk) 15:25, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Third-party sources are now included in the article, helping to establish notability. In my previous review, I found everything satisfactory except for the notability concerns, so, now that the notability issue is resolved, I am approving this nomination. Both hooks are interesting and within 200 characters, so I'm fine with either one.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
