Template:Did you know nominations/See You in the Cosmos
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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See You in the Cosmos
... that See You in the Cosmos Asian-American author Jack Cheng did not incorporate Asian-American themes on boredom of the rising trend of ethnic-based works?Source: https://www.scmp.com/yp/discover/entertainment/books/article/3062182/2017-golden-kite-award-winning-ya-author-jack-cheng- ALT1:
... that children's book See You in the Cosmos was not initially written as a children's book, with there being adult themes throughout?Source: https://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/2017/03/04/jack-cheng-detroit-see-you-cosmos/98681836/
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Created/expanded by Gerald Waldo Luis (talk). Self-nominated at 17:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: ALT1 preferred. Main hook has some problems with political correctness, probably? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 09:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael, thanks for the review! GeraldWL 10:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerald Waldo Luis: There's a purpose. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 10:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Returned from prep. An entire section about characterization is unsourced. It is also unclear what the word
puzzled
means in the lead. Yoninah (talk) 10:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I think that the novel itself is a primary source for the characters of the novel. As for the lead, I've tweaked it. GeraldWL 10:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Then you have too much unsourced text here, between the plot and the characterization. Yoninah (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I suppose you mean WP:UNDUE. I've removed repetitive points in Characters and removed vague details in Plot, see if it's now good. GeraldWL 11:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerld Waldo Luis: no, I didn't mean WP:UNDUE, but Rule D2. But it looks much better now, and I'm happy to restore the tick. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! I nearly died when it's re-discussed; happy to restore it back in minutes. GeraldWL 11:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Returned from prep. I asked another editor for help with the hook and he pointed out that the article does not describe the book as a
children's book
, but as young adult fiction. Considering the grammatical problems in the hook, please suggest a different hook angle. I also notice that one paragraph under Background is not cited, per Rule D2. If the cite is from the book, please provide the page number. Yoninah (talk) 11:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yoninah, ah, I see! I've changed the infobox genre to children's, the category of YA is merely because some source opined it as such. Feel free to reinstate your version of the ALT1 if that's grammatically correct, as I said in my talk page. I've also cited the page in Background. GeraldWL 12:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- If an ALT is needed, I could propose ALT2: ... that See You in the Cosmos, published as a children's book, has adult themes throughout? GeraldWL 12:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that novel See You in the Cosmos, which contains adult content, was published as for children?GeraldWL 16:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)- Yoninah, can you review the above? GeraldWL 07:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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- OK, I went through the whole article and edited it as I went along. I think you can do a lot better with the hook than the angle you keep pushing. Please choose another interesting fact from the write-up and suggest an alt hook that readers will be inspired to click on to read more. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- I could try ALT4: ... that See You in the Cosmos follows an Asian-American character, although author Jack Cheng stated that he did not include Asian-American elements in the story? (https://www.scmp.com/yp/discover/entertainment/books/article/3062182/2017-golden-kite-award-winning-ya-author-jack-cheng)
- Here's a sightly unrelated one.
ALT5: ... that Yuan Cheng, author of See You in the Cosmos, chose "Jack" as his forename, taken from a playing card of the same name?(https://bookpage.com/interviews/21049-jack-cheng-childrens) - Or best for WP:DYKAPRIL.
ALT6: ... that in See You in the Cosmos, the main character recreates the Voyager Golden Record as the Golden iPod?(https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/books/review/see-you-in-the-cosmos-jack-cheng.html) - GeraldWL 09:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yoninah, can you review this and see if any of the hooks are interesting? GeraldWL 08:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yoninah, any words on this? GeraldWL 07:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gerald Waldo Luis Yoninah has been offline since January 18 for some reason. I'm approving ALT4. If there is any confusion on if the book is for children or young adults, I would just point to the author's book page which clearly states that it's a children's book. SL93 (talk) 05:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Returned from prep. I asked another editor for help with the hook and he pointed out that the article does not describe the book as a
- Returned from prep. An entire section about characterization is unsourced. It is also unclear what the word
- @Gerald Waldo Luis: There's a purpose. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 10:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Gerald Waldo Luis I have a question about the sourcing of ALT4. The article and the source both suggest that the book doesn't "focus on his ethnicity", but I don't think that's the same as the hook's phrasing that it "did not include" these elements at all. Let me know what you think. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:39, 27 January 2021 (UTC)