Template:Did you know nominations/St. Joseph's Catholic Church (Krebs, Oklahoma)

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The result was: promoted by Montanabw^(talk) 04:11, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

St. Joseph's Catholic Church (Krebs, Oklahoma)

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... ~~that St. Joseph's Catholic Church, founded in Indian Territory in 1885, was the first Roman Catholic church in what is now Oklahoma?~~

ALT1: ... that the bell in the tower of St. Joseph's Catholic Church is the only item saved after the first church building burned down in 1902?
Reviewed: .Hawaii and the American Civil War (in progress)

5x expanded by Bruin2 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC).

If I'm interpreting the rules correctly, this is not eligible because it was nominated about 16 hours after the seven days deadline. Expansion began 05:07, 5 May 2016 and it was nominated 20:51, 12 May 2016. If I'm wrong I'll do a full review later. Random86 (talk) 07:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

@Random86: you are interpreting the rule very narrowly. I would look at the expansion beginning on "May 5" and this nomination on "May 12" and say it meets the 7-day rule. If you're looking at the date stamp, you should certainly IAR for an experienced DYK contributor. Yoninah (talk) 15:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Thanks for your input. I have been interpreting the 7-day rule as counting full days - not limited to 168 hours. Thanks, too, for pointing us to the IAR writeup. Even though I have been contributing to WP for several years, that term puzzled me. I'm glad to have the full explanation. Bruin2 (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
@Random86: If you find Yoninah's explanation satisfactory to proceed with your review, I will be happy to see your comments about content. Bruin2 (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

@Yoninah and Bruin2: I thought it might be too narrow, but I didn't want to make a mistake as I'm still new to DYK. I will proceed with the review. Random86 (talk) 22:00, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Fivefold expansion verified. Article is long enough, neutral and has inline citations. I'm a little confused by ALT0; it says the church was founded in 1885 (fixed typo) and is the first Roman Catholic church in what is now Oklahoma, but the source says it is the "third oldest Catholic Parish". Was the church founded in 1885 with the first mass, or in 1886 when the church building was completed and the pastor was appointed? Random86 (talk) 22:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

The source from which I took the information seems to say that St. Joseph's became the third parish in 1886, when the first permanent pastor took over. I guess that Fr. Robot was only considered a temporary or part-time pastor and that the church could not qualify to have its own parish until a permanent pastor was installed. I hope some Wikipedian who knows far more about the Roman Catholic organization can supply a better answer. Bruin2 (talk) 05:03, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I have struck the first hook because it is not supported by references. The article doesn't even say the church was founded in 1885 or is the first Catholic church in Oklahoma. ALT1 is verified, so that one is good to go. Random86 (talk) 03:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)