- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Ted Heaton
- ... that Ted Heaton advertised himself as "Liverpool's famous swimming master"? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/99273537/liverpool-echo/
Improved to Good Article status by Bungle (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 19:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC). @Onegreatjoke: You beat me to this, as I was going to raise a DYK on this article soon too :) Not to worry, although i'd have probably been looking at going something along the lines of:
- ALT1: ... that Ted Heaton made seven unsuccessful attempts during the early 1900s to swim the English channel? Cite: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/99394172/the-merthyr-express-aberdare-and-east/
I was more thinking that his notability and the basis for the article was predominantly due to his channel swimming attempts, which was widely reported at the time, rather than a self-proclaimed status (although he seemed locally notable for his swim training endeavours too). What do you think? Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:23, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's fine honestly. Any hooks available are good hooks. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Interesting life, GA on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I like the ALT much better, giving him a place in time, and showing determination. I wonder why no pic, possibly the lead image, because the one of him fed during an attempt wouldn't show well so small? - I suggest a few things for the article which have nothing to do with approval:
- If personal life in the lead at all (not needed if you ask me) please let the poor second wife first have children and then die. I don't like the phrase "commit suicide" - as if it was a crime.
- In the handshake image, please indicate (l.) who the left person is.
- The personal life section could be in a somewhat more chronological order: first father and brother, then wives. Again the phrase about the second wife's suicide reads strange to me: commit after swallowing? Really? Perhaps rephrase completely. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Thanks for looking over this. I think personal life adds value in the lead (itself an overview of the entire article), but concur that the ordering of some elements could be enhanced. I don't think there is an issue with the expression "committed suicide" as it has no connotations from a legal standpoint (crime). With the handshake image, I am not totally certain about this, but the left chap looks more like the subject Ted Heaton, based on the infobox portrait. On the suggestion of a photo, if using any i'd have wanted it to be an action shot, but wasn't convinced by the quality or writings on the photo if proposing this for a main page image. Bungle (talk • contribs) 22:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
, ALT1 preferred. - I believe that action shots were scarce at the time, and the portrait shows his style well, but up to you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Thanks for looking over this. I think personal life adds value in the lead (itself an overview of the entire article), but concur that the ordering of some elements could be enhanced. I don't think there is an issue with the expression "committed suicide" as it has no connotations from a legal standpoint (crime). With the handshake image, I am not totally certain about this, but the left chap looks more like the subject Ted Heaton, based on the infobox portrait. On the suggestion of a photo, if using any i'd have wanted it to be an action shot, but wasn't convinced by the quality or writings on the photo if proposing this for a main page image. Bungle (talk • contribs) 22:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
