- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
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The Big Elk
edit- ... that The Big Elk is the world's tallest moose statue? Source: Norway’s Storelgen stole Mac the Moose’s place as world’s tallest, The Guardian
- Reviewed: Emilio Milian
Created by BrightOrion (talk). Nominated by Iselilja (talk) at 23:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC).
Full review to follow, but right now, I am not very fond of the "Structure and dimensions" section. For one thing, it reads like a trivia section, and secondly, two of the statements are unsourced. Perhaps the section could be rewritten in prose format and the unsource statements be properly sourced? Also, it might need an additional section since the "lede" right now is almost the entire article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:10, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- You're right this article wasn't fully prepared for the main page. It was created and largely written by someone else, and I rushed to nominate it to get it within the time rule of 7 days. I'll try to get it ready today. Iselilja (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for nominating this article. With regards to the weight of the sculpture, I emailed the artist Linda Bakke and she replied telling me the weight. I wasn't sure how to describe this source in the article.BrightOrion (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, the article looks a lot better, and now meets almost all the relevant DYK criteria. Although a QPQ was performed, it was not required as this is the nominator's first nomination. However, there doesn't seem to be any references in the article for the statue's dimensions and weight, and it wasn't in the Norwegian source I checked. Could you please address this so that this nomination can move forward? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:27, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
- I removed the weight from the infobox as I couldn't find any reliable sources for it. As for lenght, the article says 11.5 m while reliable sources say 12 m. which is probably an approximation. As I think nominator has info from the artist, I let 11.5 stand in article/infobox, while adding a source in article that says 12 m. We can change it to 12 m. if you insist, but probably will make article less accurate. As for QPQ, article creator BrightOrion could have nominated it without QPQ, but since I nominated it, I don't think the QPQ exception applies. Iselilja (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
- Correspondence with the artist probably counts as original research so I don't think you'd be allowed to cite that unless the information was already reported elsewhere. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:12, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
- I removed the weight from the infobox as I couldn't find any reliable sources for it. As for lenght, the article says 11.5 m while reliable sources say 12 m. which is probably an approximation. As I think nominator has info from the artist, I let 11.5 stand in article/infobox, while adding a source in article that says 12 m. We can change it to 12 m. if you insist, but probably will make article less accurate. As for QPQ, article creator BrightOrion could have nominated it without QPQ, but since I nominated it, I don't think the QPQ exception applies. Iselilja (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
@Iselilja: Can you find an alternative source for the dimensions? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:22, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, I removed any mention of the length because I couldn't find a ref for it. I have added a new ref for the height. ThanksBrightOrion talk 02:51, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the change. I was about to approve this, but reading the article and sources again, I think a better hook could be proposed here, specifically about this statue's "rivalry" with another Canadian moose statue. @BrightOrion and Iselilja: Maybe you can propose a hook based on that? It sounds pretty quirky and funny. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:28, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, I removed any mention of the length because I couldn't find a ref for it. I have added a new ref for the height. ThanksBrightOrion talk 02:51, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, I added a quote from the mayor of Moose Jaw.BrightOrion talk 09:05, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- The hook could be "Did you know that...some people have proposed giving Mac the Moose stilettos so that it reclaims its status as the world's tallest moose statue, a title currently held by The Big Elk?" BrightOrion talk 14:19, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- It has potential, but it might be a little too long. If there's no way to shorten it further without losing context, then I will accept it, however. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- This is six words shorter: Did you know that...The Big Elk is the world's tallest moose statue and some people want to give Mac the Moose stilettos so that it reclaims the title?BrightOrion talk 13:17, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Honestly that sounds worse. Let's just stick with the original wording and let the promoter make adjustments if necessary. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:24, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks for suggesting this for Did You Know.BrightOrion talk 13:41, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Honestly that sounds worse. Let's just stick with the original wording and let the promoter make adjustments if necessary. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:24, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- This is six words shorter: Did you know that...The Big Elk is the world's tallest moose statue and some people want to give Mac the Moose stilettos so that it reclaims the title?BrightOrion talk 13:17, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- It has potential, but it might be a little too long. If there's no way to shorten it further without losing context, then I will accept it, however. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- The hook could be "Did you know that...some people have proposed giving Mac the Moose stilettos so that it reclaims its status as the world's tallest moose statue, a title currently held by The Big Elk?" BrightOrion talk 14:19, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Let's just go with this hook, which is merely a rephrasement of what was proposed above Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:51, 15 March 2019 (UTC):
- ... that it has been proposed that the statue Mac the Moose be given stilletos to reclaim its status as the world's largest moose statue, a title currently held by The Big Elk?
- An alternative version Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- ... that as The Big Elk is now the world's largest statue of a moose, it has been proposed that Mac the Moose be given stilletos so as to reclaim its previous record?