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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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The Finest Hours (2015 film)

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Created by Captain Assassin! (talk) 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC). Self nominated at 06:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC).

  • New enough. Long enough. Spot checking of the first source with dup detector reveals copyright violations and plagiarism. For example, "two oil tankers were torn in half by treacherous waves during a deadly nor easter blizzard" and "story of a daring coast guard rescue off cape cod in 1952" are identical in source and article. Reasonable to infer that this issue is more widespread in the article. Image is suitably licensed for main page. NPOV. ALT1 added. Article well-cited, as is the hook which checks out with the source facts. QPQ review needed. Edwardx (talk) 09:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment I've copy edited the hell out of this. It read like a timeline from a press release by Disney Studios. Yecch!
Offending close paraphrasing has been removed or altered.
The wording of the hooks is awkward. "attempted by Coast Guards"? Huh? Is this U.S. and Canada? The wiki link to the underlying incident is to the contrary.
Since I did substantial work on this article (opinion) and am not a DYK reviewer of it, I would like DYK credit.7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:51, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Good work 7&6=thirteen, but I think you shouldn't remove the chronology. It's always the best way to describe casting and film's development. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 14:58, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
The dates just confuse the matter. Not material. The chronology and development (absent dates) was left intact. IMHO. But do as you will. I would like DYK credit, if you don't mind. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:03, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Haha, yeah no problem with the credit, please take it already :). I'm going to revert all your edits, the first version was good enough per GA requirements. I know it's not GA but it's the better way to describe development. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:21, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I just reverted your edits, no hard feelings, OK? I just think personally that chronology is the best, and I also coy-edit the article to remove the issue of copyright-violation. Hoping it's good now. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Not interested in edit warring. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Other editors may see this differently, but I have no ownership or investment issues. Good luck. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I've tweaked my ALT1 hook to address the concerns raised above. I'd expect more of an effort on plagiarism than just addressing the two blatant examples noted. You can use "Dup detector" in the "DYK Toolbox" to compare the article and each source. As there has been a lot of editing already since my review, it might be best for me to wait a while before revisiting this. Edwardx (talk) 19:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Everything's fine now, please review all and let it go. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 09:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that the upcoming film The Finest Hours is based on the US Coast Guard's 1952 rescue of the crews of two two oil tankers (pictured) which had broken in half during a storm? EEng (talk) 20:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

That's slightly off grammatically, but howzabout

  • ALT3 ... that the The Finest Hours, currently in production, is a film based on the US Coast Guard's 1952 rescue of the crews of two oil tankers (pictured) which had broken apart during a storm?

EEng (talk) 05:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

  • ALT3 sounds good, a proper polymath. QPQ still needed. However, my concerns about plagiarism appear to have been brushed aside. You really should not be claiming that "Everything's fine now". Compare "the rescue boat's engine man who feels like he has a lot to prove on the mission to save the lives of dozens of men" with "the rescue boat's engineman who feels like he has a lot to prove on the mission to save the lives of dozens of men" from this source. You can't just fix the two examples I cited. You need to got through the whole article and all the sources, and using Dup detector makes it straightforward enough. It's not reasonable to expect others to spot every blatant copyvio for you, our time could be better spent creating new content. I will be away now until Wednesday 24 September, so maybe it's better if someone else takes over while I'm not here at least. Edwardx (talk) 09:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Alright then, someone will take care of it. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Comment I've done a complete rewrite and copy edit. There is no close paraphrasing. Except for the overlinking {which still offends my sensibility ), I think it is good to go. But I am not the reviewer. Edwardx is. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:59, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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