- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 22:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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The Queue
- ... Source: Queue for the Queen: Huge line of Queen Elizabeth II mourners visible from space
- ALT1 ... that The Queue (pictured) was a "triumph of Britishness"? Main secondary source: Wales Online (which is actually cited within the article)
- ALT2 ... that the Archbishop of Canterbury provided pizza to participants of The Queue? Source: ‘Archbishop sends pizzas’ to people queuing in rain to see Queen lying in state (Metro)
- ALT3 Source: Queue for Queen's lying-in-state reopens after seven hours
- ALT4 Source: BBC Weather on Twitter
- ALT5 ... that people queued in a queue to queue in The Queue? Source: "Queen dies: A queue for the queue - mourners waiting to see coffin now placed in holding pen" (Sky News)
- ALT6 ... that over 250,000 people went to join The Queue? Source: 250,000 people went through the queue to see Queen Lying-in-State (The Telegraph)
- ALT7 Source: At least 250,000 people lined up to see queen’s coffin (AP News)
- Reviewed: British logistics in the Western Allied Invasion of Germany
- Comment: I've listed six authors and contributors of images. We can perhaps add more as the article continues to develop but I don't want to break something. There are some templates on the article but I'm expecting those to be cleaned up in a day or two when it's not such a current event. I'm getting the nomination started to ensure we don't miss the deadline.
Created by Alasdairking (talk), Nosebagbear (talk), Seddon (talk), Geni (talk), Andrew Davidson (talk), and KTC (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 14:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC).
Comment: It's 2022 and we have high-resolution satellite imaging, so something being "observed from space" isn't very remarkable. When talking about something being very large, like the Great Wall of China, the phrase implies that it would be visible without magnification, which isn't being claimed here. From the linked photos at https://twitter.com/Maxar/status/1571282297185345539, any given individual car or tree in London could also be described as "observable from space". (Given that the claim being made would become ridiculous if rewritten clearly as "observed from space by a high resolution satellite camera with a 30cm resolution", I've removed it from the article.) --Lord Belbury (talk) 14:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- The visibility of the Great Wall from space is actually not so great – see Scientific American, for details. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:58, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm not sure how to go about adding an alternative hook, but maybe there could be one regarding the length of the queue(s) (perhaps that once the first queue had closed, a second one formed)? XxLuckyCxX (talk) 14:59, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Does "... that once the 10 mile long Queue to see Elizabeth II lying in state had temporarily closed, the general public formed their own secondary line?" or something along those lines (no pun intended) work? XxLuckyCxX (talk) 15:03, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- That certainly should be an ALT1 Nosebagbear (talk)
- @XxLuckyCxX: I've taken a stab at humour with this. Seddon talk 01:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Brilliant work! XxLuckyCxX (talk) 07:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'd also suggest an ALT2, along the lines of "... that once the ten mile long Queue to see Elizabeth II lying in state involved queuing for in excess of 24 hours" (although I think distance might work better) Nosebagbear (talk) 16:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Once we get to Monday we'll know the total number of individuals who queued, which will then make perhaps the best ALT Nosebagbear (talk) 16:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- I've added a bunch of alts which were all sourced but some have been sadly sanitised from the article but all have that hookiness about them. I'll probably add them back in. Seddon talk 00:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Added some sources to them, good work with the hooks. Not sure on ALT2 as it's sourced to a viral tweet but we can consider it XxLuckyCxX (talk) 01:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Added an ALT6 with the estimated figure from the govt. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 07:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- with thanks, XXlucky. Would people be game for trying to find a combo between this one and a "hooky hook"? (Added ALT7) Nosebagbear (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Initial review. New enough (submitted within two days of creation); long enough (10,887 characters as of today); Earwig says no copyvio; written neutrally. Image is available under an appropriate license. Article seems well sourced, and citations seem ok based on spot checks. (Per "Perennial sources" Daily Mirror is ok to use with caution; in this case it's a contributed article from Anna Morrell of Disability Rights UK, and fact(s) cited seem reliable and unlikely to be available from other sources.) QPQ is done. Turning to review of each hook shortly. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Hooks ALT1, ALT2, ALT5, ALT6 are approved, as the contents of those hooks now appear in the article and are easily verified through the cited sources. (The other hooks are *not* approved for various reasons; please note that the figure of "700 hospitalised" is incorrect (!) and that there is a difference between receiving medical treatment, being taken to hospital for treatment, and being hospitalised.) Appreciate that this article came together through the enthusiastic contributions of many and was a fast-moving target (even if the queue itself seemed slow at times). Sorry you had to wait so long for DYK review. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
