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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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Trevor Hill (producer)

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  • ... that in 1944 at the age of 18 years, Trevor Hill was responsible for broadcasting Eisenhower's D-Day announcement of the Normandy landings? Source: "On 6 June 1944, Supreme Allied Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower broadcast a message to the people of Western Europe informing them the D-Day landings had started. But before most people heard his words, an 18-year-old BBC studio manager at the BBC in London was let in on the secret."...[1]

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 18:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC).


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nice article. Pity we can't use that great non-free BBC photo of him. Just a few small points:

  • QPQ pending.
  • Can we rephrase, "Hill hired Harry Corbett and Sooty, which he produced for several years", do you think? It is written as if Hill produced Corbett as well as Sooty, but Sooty is a production and Corbett was a person. I'm no expert on film terminology, but I believe you produce productions, and not people?
  • What do you mean by "Sherwood Forrester"? With the two "r"s in Forrester, it means a racehorse or a VW camper van. With the one "r" in Forester, it's an army regiment. Neither "forrester" nor "forester" appears in the WP article The Adventures of Robin Hood (TV series) which you link in that sentence. Was Moore hired for the role of one of the Merry Men? Or an outlaw? Or Robin Hood himself? (And yes I have one of those knitting patterns with Moore modelling, tee hee). Storye book (talk) 09:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Thank you @Storye book:... will address the above and ping you back... need a little time if okay with you. Whispyhistory (talk) 13:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
  • No worries, Whispyhistory. I await your ping. Storye book (talk) 15:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your edits on the article, Whispyhistory. Only the QPQ remains now. (Oh, and I thought I had heard Sherwood Forrester mentioned elsewhere as well. It's a loco! I photographed it passing at speed near my home some years ago, here: File:2007-08-27 Sherwood Forrester.JPG. I lay down 2 feet from the railway track to get this photo, on three occasions to get the shot). All good fun. Storye book (talk) 17:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks @Storye book:... I thought it just meant one of Robin Hood's men. Looks like dangerous photo shooting.... I will get around to doing a QPQ shortly. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Whispyhistory. Good to go now. (And yes the photo was a stupid thing to do, but I'm glad I did it). Storye book (talk) 19:55, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
If it's not too late, there are a couple of good alt possibilities:
ALT1 ... producer Trevor Hill told future James Bond actor Roger Moore that he couldn't act and would be better off modelling sweaters?
ALT2 ... that producer of the children's puppet series Sooty, Trevor Hill, only allowed Sooty to have a "girlfriend", Soo, if they never touched? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
  • . Thank you, Philafrenzy, for the ALTs which are great fun, and are cited in the article. Good to go with ALTs 0, 1 and 2a, all equally good, though my personal preference is for ALT3 ALT 2a. I remember Sooty very well, and ... erm ... some moments performed by Sweep in the show were certainly ambiguous, and we all noticed. Corbett was no fool, he knew what he was doing. But it was so subtle that if you didn't want to notice, you didn't notice. Sometimes mild rudeness is more fun, the more it is hidden. Good to go. Storye book (talk) 20:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Initially Hill wouldn't allow Sooty a girlfriend, but it was head office that decided that it would be okay as long as they didn't touch. Maybe reword hook a bit. I'll have a think in interim. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:22, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
  • OK. I have paused things temporarily, to give you more time on the hook. Storye book (talk) 06:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
ALT2a ... that following producer Trevor Hill's initial refusal for Sooty to have a girlfriend, it was eventually allowed as long as they never touched? Whispyhistory (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
ALT2b ... that children's television producer Trevor Hill didn't want the puppet Sooty to have a "girlfriend", but it was eventually allowed as long as they never touched?
ALT3 ... that children's television producer Trevor Hill didn't want the puppet Sooty to have a "girlfriend", as it would mean "sex creeping in" to the show?

It needs greater context for non-British readers. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Whispyhistory. Good to go with ALTs 0, 1, and 2b.
I have not included ALT3, because those who glance quickly at the hook, and have never seen the old, black and white 1950s/60s children's show, Sooty, could get the impression that there's something creepy about the subject - the word "creeping" doesn't help. Hooks work like adverts - words tend to jump out at you, and you don't initially read them properly. ALT3 does not break DYK rules at all. In ALT2b the word "touch" in connection with the children's show seems ludicrous and funny, but in ALT3 "sex" and "creeping" kind of overloads it and makes the hook feel a bit scary in a kiddy show context. I'm not sure whether I'm explaining this very well - this is not about prudishness - it's about preserving the humour in the absurdity of Hill's attitude to toys touching. If you disagree, I'll put ALT3 back in the approved list. Storye book (talk) 06:30, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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