Template:Did you know nominations/Tsvetana Jermanova
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The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 22:05, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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Tsvetana Jermanova
- ... that 95-year-old Tsvetana Jermanova is the last living survivor of the forced labour camps in Communist Bulgaria? Source: ""До последно са ни подслушвали": Цветана, последната оцеляла жена от лагерите в Босна и Белене". Dnevnik (in Bulgarian). 13 November 2022. Retrieved 30 November 2023.
Created by Grnrchst (talk). Self-nominated at 16:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Tsvetana Jermanova; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
This article is certainly new and long enough. The hook fact is cited and interesting. QPQ has been done. AGF on the Bulgarian sources. All the best, --KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 23:01, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst: we are always worried about bold claims of first, last, etc. This claim seems to be from local TV station (Bulgaria in the morning) and a website financed by The America for Bulgaria Foundation. I think we may need a better source for the bold "last" claim. Bruxton (talk) 17:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: Bruxton (talk) 17:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Bruxton I'd have to have a look for other sources. I've found more sources on Jermanova, but none so far that make the "last" claim. I could maybe go with the less bold "one of the last" instead? Or perhaps write an alternate hook? --Grnrchst (talk) 18:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst: I think we are ok saying "surviving" but I want to "phone a friend" and hope they answer for an opinion. @Theleekycauldron: what do you think about us using the "last" claim here? Bruxton (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: looks to me like not only is it from a local station, it's something like a long-form description for a documentary short they put together. The fact that no other sources make the claim does also suggest to me that it's a little shaky. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, I've gone ahead and removed the claim from the article, just in case. To suggest some alts:
- ALT1: ...that Tsvetana Jermanova survived imprisonment in two of the forced labour camps in Communist Bulgaria? "Отворени досиета 2: Цветана Джерманова" [Open Files 2: Tsvetana Jermanova]. Bulgarian National Television (in Bulgarian). 2017. Retrieved 30 November 2023.
- ALT2: ...that after surviving imprisonment in the forced labour camps in Communist Bulgaria, Tsvetana Jermanova documented her experience, hoping that history would be remembered but not repeated? Hristova, Yanitsa (30 November 2023). "С „Пазителки на истории" обръщаме внимание на онова, за което не се говори в историята на българските жени, казва Катерина Василева". Bulgarian National Television. Retrieved 30 November 2023.
- Both of these are sourced to the Bulgarian National Television, which I hope is more clearly reliable as a source for DYK. --Grnrchst (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks@Grnrchst: we will need @Kingoflettuce: to approve. I prefer ALT1. Bruxton (talk) 21:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- So do I. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 21:53, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks@Grnrchst: we will need @Kingoflettuce: to approve. I prefer ALT1. Bruxton (talk) 21:51, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, I've gone ahead and removed the claim from the article, just in case. To suggest some alts:
- @Bruxton: looks to me like not only is it from a local station, it's something like a long-form description for a documentary short they put together. The fact that no other sources make the claim does also suggest to me that it's a little shaky. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst: I think we are ok saying "surviving" but I want to "phone a friend" and hope they answer for an opinion. @Theleekycauldron: what do you think about us using the "last" claim here? Bruxton (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst: we are always worried about bold claims of first, last, etc. This claim seems to be from local TV station (Bulgaria in the morning) and a website financed by The America for Bulgaria Foundation. I think we may need a better source for the bold "last" claim. Bruxton (talk) 17:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)