- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 09:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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Tuva Hansen
... that the first match Tuva Hansen played for the Norway football national team, was also the last match her older sister Hege Hansen played for that team? Source: https://www.fotball.no/fotballdata/person/profil/?p=n&fiksId=3672773 and https://www.fotball.no/fotballdata/kamp/?fiksId=6657081ALT1: ... that Norwegian footballer Tuva Hansen's dog has more than 1.1 million followers on TikTok?Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@viljacockapoo- Reviewed:
- ALT2: ... that Norwegian footballer Tuva Hansen's dog has several million views on TikTok? Source: https://www.tv2.no/a/14157007/
ALT3: ... that 7 November 2021, the Norwegian footballer Tuva Hansen played against her sister Hege Hansen and won, which meant that Tuva won Toppserien for the first time while Hege’s team was relegated?Source: https://www.nrk.no/sport/sandviken-har-startet-gullfesten-_-blir-seriemester-for-forste-gang-1.15720563- ALT4: ... that Tuva Hansen and her dog often get several million views on their videos on TikTok? Source: https://www.aftenbladet.no/sport/i/JxB4O6/vilja-15-faar-internett-til-aa-koke
- Comment: Tuva Hansen is on the squad that is going to play in the Euro 2022 this Summer, so I would suggest that this is posted during that period, preferably on one of the days Norway plays a match in the group stage, which are 7 July, 11 July and 15 July.
5x expanded by Rogalendingen (talk). Self-nominated at 11:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC).
5x expansion verified. Nominator was credited with one previous DYK (Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Olsvik) but not as nominator; no QPQ needed. Earwig found no copying. Article text is readable and mostly properly sourced, but see below. Both hooks are interesting but problematic. ALT0 is not mentioned or sourced in the article; ALT1 appears, but only with a primary source to the tiktok account itself, which I suspect is inadequate for DYK rule 3b. For DYK, we need the claims in the hook to appear within the article, and for their appearance in the article to have a published reliable source, "appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact". (Incidentally, the Instagram subscription number source is even worse: it leads me only to a login page, from which I cannot retrieve any useful information as I do not have an Instagram login.) For the first-match last-match hook it would be preferable to find a source that explicitly makes that comparison, rather than a synthesis of separate database listings. Additionally, the "Toppserien 2021" listing in honours requires a source; for DYK, we cannot have an entire paragraph or section without a source. If the sourcing issues can be fixed, we can use either hook; otherwise, we might need a new one. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have cited the honours section now. The Instagram link takes you to the right account if you do have an account yourself. And I don’t see the difference between using that as a source compared to a primary source found at a library that you don’t have access to without an account (or without being there in person), just for that one number.
- ALT0 is at the bottom of the article, right at the end.
- I really like that hook (and it is definitely my favourite out of the four), but I can’t find a source that says exactly that. Hege also hasn’t retired, but has given birth to two children, plays in first division and not Toppserien, is 31 and hasn’t played for the national team the last five years, so it is highly unlikely that she will play another match. Given that one of the DYK on the front page yesterday actually was about a footballer that got called up to the national team after giving birth and that I can’t find a source that states it, I have added two other hooks now. Personally, I prefer the one about TikTok (ALT2) out of those two. Rogalendingen (talk) 12:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Subscriber counts should not be directly sourced to the medium. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 301#YouTube personality subscriber and viewing figures in BLPs. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- The article they discuss, still uses YouTube as a source at least six places, so I don’t see how they reach a consensus, and hence that that discussion supports your statement. Rogalendingen (talk) 18:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- If I remove the sentence that uses TikTok and Instagram as references, and replace it with a sentence that uses the numbers from TV2, then there isn’t anything more to discuss about the references, right? So, the only thing left (except removing that sentence), is to decide the hook? Rogalendingen (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- tv2.no looks like an adequate source for the subscriber counts. We still don't have a good source for the first-match last-match hook, only original research by synthesis combining multiple database listings. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have updated the number of followers now and added one more alternative hook. If we choose either ALT2 or ALT4 as hook, is everything fine then? Rogalendingen (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Ok to go with ALT2 or ALT4, now that we have good sources for them. I have struck the other hooks as I don't think the sourcing is there (e.g. sister is not mentioned by name in the source for ALT3). Overall article sourcing now looks acceptable for DYK. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:09, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Great! Thank you! I prefer ALT4, but I'm fine with either. Rogalendingen (talk) 13:23, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have updated the number of followers now and added one more alternative hook. If we choose either ALT2 or ALT4 as hook, is everything fine then? Rogalendingen (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- tv2.no looks like an adequate source for the subscriber counts. We still don't have a good source for the first-match last-match hook, only original research by synthesis combining multiple database listings. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- If I remove the sentence that uses TikTok and Instagram as references, and replace it with a sentence that uses the numbers from TV2, then there isn’t anything more to discuss about the references, right? So, the only thing left (except removing that sentence), is to decide the hook? Rogalendingen (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- The article they discuss, still uses YouTube as a source at least six places, so I don’t see how they reach a consensus, and hence that that discussion supports your statement. Rogalendingen (talk) 18:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Subscriber counts should not be directly sourced to the medium. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 301#YouTube personality subscriber and viewing figures in BLPs. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
