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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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Type 271 radar
... that one of the first microwave radars, the British Type 271 (Type 273Q pictured), led the HMS Duke of York's nighttime sinking of the German battleship Scharnhorst? Source: Cochrane , 223
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Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 17:37, 27 August 2019 (UTC).
- Can someone crop the image down a little? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maury Markowitz (talk • contribs) 17:38, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: New, plenty long enough, well-referenced. QPQ is done. The hook is not as clear in the article as it needs to be - the body of the article says that the Duke of York tracked Scharnhorst, but there's no referenced mention that this led to the sinking of the ship. Can that be fixed, please? As Mandarax mentions, the image needs to be cropped if it's going to be used. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
- DOY's radar detected S after it had been earlier picked up and then lost again. That detection led to the battle that sunk her. Suggestions on better ways to word this? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: think you need to explain that (with references) in Type_271_radar#Q_models_in_action - at the moment it just says detected + tracked, not that it led to a battle or that it was sunk. It does say that in the lead, but without references, and it should be repeated in the body of the article somewhere anyway. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- DOY's radar detected S after it had been earlier picked up and then lost again. That detection led to the battle that sunk her. Suggestions on better ways to word this? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh, so you are saying we need a reference on the battle as a whole? Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: If it's in the hook, then it should be in the body of the article with a reference. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:29, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, I think I have added what you are looking for. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: That looks better, but has raised a new question - the hook implies that it was the HMS Duke of York that sank Scharnhorst, but the article now says "the other ships in the British and Norwegian destroyers were able to close and destroy her"? Perhaps this needs a tweak to the hook wording? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, I think I have added what you are looking for. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: Sorry didn't notice this... the Duke is generally credited with her sinking - that first radar-guided salvo took out both her forward turrets and from then on the outcome was a foregone conclusion. The torpedos were "icing on the cake" but the battle was already over. The linked sources do talk about this and the article here on the Battle uses the same language. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:07, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: Could you make that clearer in the article in that case, please? The 'foregone conclusion' isn't obvious to a non-expert! Or alternatively, can I suggest an ALT1, below. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:13, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that one of the first microwave radars, the British Type 271 (Type 273Q pictured) onboard the HMS Duke of York, led to the nighttime sinking of the German battleship Scharnhorst?
@Mike Peel: The alt is fine with me! Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Still needs an image crop if someone is up to it. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:13, 19 September 2019 (UTC)