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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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Udyavara Madhava Acharya

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5x expanded by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC).

Interesting life, on good sources, foreign sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The hook is basically fine, but I am not sure about "South Indian" vs. "South-Indian", and would love some English description about the theater form. Yes, there's a link, but we have room and could say something at a glance. - Suggestions for the article:
We can definitely change to South Indian. I think both are alright. We can change the tail end of the hook to "traditional Indian theater form Yakshagana" Ktin (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  1. Do the same - adding short descriptions in English - for other foreign term, - "arts" is such a broad concept, and in English seems to first mean visual arts such as painting and sculpture.
    Introduced performing arts as a phrase. Ktin (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  2. I wonder if "orator" as the first occupation mentioned shouldn't have a link, - the word has many meanings.
    Orator is not an occupation. But, that said, I can wikilink it. However, it would be overlinking if we did link it since orator is a common word. I am ambivalent about making the change. Ktin (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
    Sorry about my lack of common English. --GA
    No worries at all. :) Ktin (talk) 08:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  3. I believe that professor of economics should be mentioned in the lead and infobox.
    His claim to notability was not linked to being a professor of economics. So, my thinking is we should not introduce it. Ktin (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
    Do we write about the complete person or just notable parts? For me, it adds a perspective to know that he came from a different background. --GA
    I have had my hands slapped here re: introducing non significant portions into the infobox specifically. In this case I can see why. Again, if you feel too strongly about it, I can write it in the infobox, we don't stand to lose anything. But, I think we can go without it as well. Ktin (talk) 08:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  4. Mark the language of foreign sources |language= using the 2-letter-abbreviation.
    This seems to be done already by someone. But, if the source number can be mentioned, I can double check that. Language = Kn has been used for two sources currently. Ktin (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  5. Check if "had" indicating "past perfect" tense is right, - some look as if simple "past" tense would be fine.
    This is a stylization element. Happy to go either way on this one. Ktin (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
    In the English I learned - not perfect as said above - it has a different meaning, not just style. --GA
  6. Check if "would" as in "He would go onto retire as a Principal" is needed. Didn't he simply "retire"?
    Again as above. Happy to go either way on this one. But, what is currently written is not incorrect. Also, when you chronologically write a career, it is not uncommon to phrase it this way so you don't jump the narrative Ktin (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
    May again be my English, where "go on retire" would be a grammar mistake. Perhaps we should ask a native speaker? --GA
    You are right. "go on retire" is grammatically incorrect. "He would go on to retire from ABC" is grammatically accurate, and so is "He retired from ABC". Typically, when you break a chronological narrative, you choose the former, just as a stylization element. It is perfectly alright to say "He retired from ABC in xxxx". Ktin (talk) 08:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  7. A date for that retirement would be nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
    Tried searching for this one but, couldn't find one. Ktin (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
    I know that feeling ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
    Yeah, this one proved to be too difficult. :) Ktin (talk) 08:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Greetings @Gerda Arendt:, hope you are doing well. Please can you pick this back up and wrap up the review? I am hoping this goes to the next steps soon. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 20:23, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
    I don't know what "theater artist" is, and it is not mentioned in the article lead.
    ALT1: ... that South-Indian Udyavara Madhava Acharya is credited with the modernization of the theater form Yakshagana?
    - Good to have seen the artist pictured today, and for 24 hours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
    Made a minor edit. The term theater artist refers to an actor who takes part in theater forms (e.g. dance / drama). It is already there in the article's short description, and now in the lede as well. Let's go ahead with ALT2 if that is alright. Btw, if we need to adapt for WP:ENGVAR let me know, that should be simple (theater spelling will change to theatre). Also, thanks for that earlier review of the DYK currently on the homepage. Much appreciated. Ktin (talk) 21:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
    If that is what a theater artist is, I don't think we need to say so, because it leads to a repetition of "theater". I removed ALT2 because it is like the original which I could just "unstrike" if I was convinced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
    The above formation is not grammatically accurate Gerda. You can not lead directly "South-Indian Udyavara Madhava Acharya," that is like saying "German Wolfgang Clement". Instead, you should say, "German politician Wolfgang Clement". In this case that would change to "South-Indian theatre artist Udyavara Madhava Acharya". Please make that change. thanks.Ktin (talk) 23:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
    At least change it to "South-Indian artist Udyavara...." Ktin (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
    I'd never ever say "German Wolfgang Clement", because I avoid nationalities wherever I can. ("The only real nation is humanity.") Do we even need something here? ... or could we say "from South-India", or a more specific location? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Let's go with the below and call it good. Ktin (talk) 14:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that South Indian artist Udyavara Madhava Acharya is credited with the modernization of the theatre form Yakshagana?
but I think "artist" is such a broad concept that I'd prefer to say nothing, and won't call it good. But it's "yours". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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