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The result was: promoted by Orlady (talk) 18:53, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Ulrich Cordes
edit- ... that in a concert of Handel's Messiah in St. Martin, Idstein, tenor Ulrich Cordes embellished "Comfort ye" appropriately?
- Reviewed: La Flora
Created/expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 06:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
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- ALT1:... that Andreas Scholl and Ulrich Cordes sang the duet " O death, where is thy sting?" in a concert of Handel's Messiah in St. Martin, Idstein?
- I did a partial review. I don't like the first hook -- "appropriate" is an opinion, not an objective fact. The article and hook could say that a critic said he sang it appropriately, but that hook would not interest me. The ALT hook is supported by at least one cited source, but it's not in the article. --Orlady (talk) 13:36, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- As for appropriate: perhaps I am lacking the right term, "passende Verzierungen" is a heading in the review, referring to the proper (?) ornamentation - embellishment - of the simple musical line written. It was expected by the singer, not a matter of opinion. I would prefer the ALT as well, but don't know how to include the very special fact of one duet - the only true duet of the whole piece - in the article. It's for alto and tenor, the alto was Scholl, so it's kind of implied. It's also supported by the photo in the source showing this only duet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm... I agree with you that "appropriate" is a reasonable translation of "passende." I imagine that "passende Verzierungen" has a meaning that is not communicated by the literal translations of the component words (with "Verzierungen" corresponding to the topic of Ornament (music)). As for the duet, it's clear that these two sang it, but the photo doesn't have a caption indicating who is singing the duet. The critic who wrote this review seems to have been impressed with Cordes' performance, but does not mention the duet. If the critic's comments are included in the article or hook, I think they should be identified as what a critic said, not as fact.
For a hook, what do you think about this one:
- ALT2 ... that tenor Ulrich Cordes performed Handel's Messiah in St. Martin, Idstein, with Katia Plaschka, Andreas Scholl and Markus Flaig? --Orlady (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- Fine with me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm... I agree with you that "appropriate" is a reasonable translation of "passende." I imagine that "passende Verzierungen" has a meaning that is not communicated by the literal translations of the component words (with "Verzierungen" corresponding to the topic of Ornament (music)). As for the duet, it's clear that these two sang it, but the photo doesn't have a caption indicating who is singing the duet. The critic who wrote this review seems to have been impressed with Cordes' performance, but does not mention the duet. If the critic's comments are included in the article or hook, I think they should be identified as what a critic said, not as fact.
- Since we had 2 of them already last week and the Evangelist in Bach's Passions is likely his best part, another suggestion:
ALT3 ... that tenor Ulrich Cordes was the Evangelist in Bach's St Matthew Passion in St. Martin, Idstein, the Berliner Philharmonie and the Palais des Beaux-Arts, Brussels? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
