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The result was: promoted by Valereee talk 21:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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Verbum caro factum est

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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Verbum caro factum est; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • This is only a comment but I would suggest eliminating most of the blue links per WP:SEAOFBLUE. I'm not a fan of either hook as they seem to be too straight and not hooky for non-classical music fans (and such hooks tend to vastly underpeform with our readers), but I will leave the final review to another review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:26, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
    The link to John 1:14 is shorter than a translation to English would be (and we can't expect readers to be able to understand the Latin), and the Venetian polychoral style will hopefully attract some who don't know yet what it is. I'd not link the composer if he was closer to the piece. He wrote the melody of O Sacred Head (not with that text, of course), so should be somewhat familiar. Btw, "sea of blue" doesn't mean many links, but precisely two in a row that look like one. Christmas Day is always not great for views, which is good: people should be together, not read Wikipedia.
    ALT0a: ... that Verbum caro factum est is a 1591 motet for six voices for Christmas, in which Hans Leo Hassler set John 1:14 in Latin in Venetian polychoral style. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
New enough, long enough, sourced and copyright free. For ALT0, the article says the lyrics come from John 1:14, but this is cited to a bible, so I don't know if this verifies the information, if this is original research or if this is a WP:BLUESKY situation. Regardless, the link opens various English versions of the bible and I would expect the citation, if pointing to a bible, to link to a Latin version since that is what the lyrics are written in. Also, are there variations to the Latin bible, and if so which translation was used for the lyrics? ALT1 is cited, interesting, and under 200 characters. I would prefer that the hook be shorter with less information, but that's a personal preference as I prefer shorter hooks. QPQ is done. I'll let the nominator comment on if they want to address concerns to ALT0/ALT0a or if they want to only let ALT1 be approved. Z1720 (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the review! The link to our article was meant as help to understanding the Latin, but if it causes extra problems, I'd happily prefer the brassy sound of ALT1. The incarnation is too complex to express in a hook of 200 chars max. The King James Version of the Bible is Wikipedia's source (s:Bible (King James)/John#1:14), and the most common Latin is from the Vulgate (and I bet other version have the same wording). I thought the article on John 1:14 would supply background for those who seek such a thing. Fine, probably not from the Main page, not on Christmas day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: The link I was referring to above was the Biblehub citation used in the article to verify the John 1:14 information. Is there a better source that can be used here? Or maybe we should just go with ALT1? Please ping me in responses so I can follow-up promptly. Z1720 (talk) 17:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
I thought I was clear about "if it causes extra problems, I'd happily prefer the brassy sound of ALT1". I tried to explain, but that was perhaps a mistake? ALT1 please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:31, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Approved ALT1 only per my review and discussion above. I struck ALT0 and ALT0a so that they are not used by mistake instead. Z1720 (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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