Template:Did you know nominations/William F. Ramsey
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
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William F. Ramsey
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- ... that before being appointed to the Supreme Court of Texas, William F. Ramsey (pictured) served as president of three banks, in different cities, at the same time? Source: Jan Onofrio, Texas Biographical Dictionary (2001), p. 152: "Between 1900 and 1908 he was president of the National Bank at Cleburne, the First National Bank at Covington, and the Farmer and Trader's Bank at Rio Vista"; William Franklin Ramsey (1855-1922), University of Texas, Tarlton Law Library: "By 1900, in addition to his thriving law practice, he was also serving as president of three separate banks".
- ALT1:... that Texas Supreme Court Justice William F. Ramsey (pictured) posthumously became the father-in-law of a United States Supreme Court Justice, and grandfather of an Attorney General of the United States? Source: Clare Cushman, The Supreme Court Justices: Illustrated Biographies, 1789–2012 (2012), p. 389: "Her father, William Ramsey, was a banker who had been a judge on the Court of Criminal Appeals and on the Texas Supreme Court"; William Franklin Ramsey (1855-1922), University of Texas, Tarlton Law Library: "Ramsey was the father-in-law of United States attorney general and Supreme Court justice Thomas C. Clark, who had married his daughter, Mary. Their son, Ramsey Clark, went on to become United States attorney general under Lyndon B. Johnson".
Created/expanded by BD2412 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC).
- ALT2 ... that the Prohibition Party's unsuccessful candidate for Texas Governor, William F. Ramsey, (pictured) was a banker and Justice of the state's Supreme Court?
- a gang hook. Proposer, cygnis insignis 14:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Doing... starting review for nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 05:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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Article was moved to mainspace and nominated on the same day. Length is adequate. Sourcing is provided, but when multiple citations are used, they should be in numerical order. Example, [1][2][3]. Article is neutral in tone. Earwig tool highlighted many proper nouns and titles, but those are not plagiarism issues. Photo is in the public domain, properly licensed and clear. I need to look into QPQ requirements in more detail, as the search tool conflicts the user's page. The proposed hooks are too specific to appear to a broad audience. I suggest splitting them up. For example ALTO, talks about the subject from two different angles at the same time, which is less hooky than one angle being cleverly worded. Overall, the article is well written, and I look forward to seeing it pass. Flibirigit (talk) 05:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Not sure about QPQ - I think this is my third actual DYK nomination, after Clinton Liberal Institute and Fidel Castro Díaz-Balart. I have participated in various aspects of DYK review over the years, although not much lately. I have re-ordered the citations (although it is generally my preference to order the citations for each point so that the most detailed citation for that point comes first). bd2412 T 19:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- I have verified that this is indeed your third nomination, therefore QPQ is not required yet. I understand your view on the citations. Another solution that works is a footnote explaining which citation is for which part of the statement. Aside from that, any suggestions on revising the hooks? For ALT0, I suggest just wording the hook on the three banks in three cities at the same time. For ALT1, I wouldn't mention the attorney general, only the justices. I think ALT2 just has too much going on to be appealing. Flibirigit (talk) 20:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think presiding over three banks is all that sexy without the state supreme court appointment. I could go with an ALT3:... that Texas Supreme Court Justice William F. Ramsey (pictured) posthumously became the father-in-law of United States Supreme Court Justice Tom C. Clark? Source: Clare Cushman, The Supreme Court Justices: Illustrated Biographies, 1789–2012 (2012), p. 389: "Her father, William Ramsey, was a banker who had been a judge on the Court of Criminal Appeals and on the Texas Supreme Court"; William Franklin Ramsey (1855-1922), University of Texas, Tarlton Law Library: "Ramsey was the father-in-law of United States attorney general and Supreme Court justice Thomas C. Clark, who had married his daughter, Mary. Their son, Ramsey Clark, went on to become United States attorney general under Lyndon B. Johnson".
I agree that ALT3 is the best option here, it is the most interesting, mentioned in the article, and verified in the source. I will still approve the other three hooks, since they are factual and verified. Flibirigit (talk) 03:50, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. Do I need to list ALT3 above, or is it sufficient to have it relayed in this discussion? bd2412 T 03:27, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- No. The DYK robot will list it. Another DYK volunteer will come along and review the approval, and then promote it to a preparation area if there are no questions. Flibirigit (talk) 03:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: actually, ALT0 caught my eye and I think the addition of his Supreme Court post gives him more importance. I'd like to promote that hook. I also reorganized the article because it was closely following the University of Texas source, line by line. Yoninah (talk) 20:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- No. The DYK robot will list it. Another DYK volunteer will come along and review the approval, and then promote it to a preparation area if there are no questions. Flibirigit (talk) 03:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)