- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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Yulia Tolopa
- ... that Yulia Tolopa, a single mother from Russia, has fought for Ukraine in the War in Donbas since she was 18 years old? Source: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/08/1079112845/ukrainian-women-prepare-to-mobilize-in-case-russia-invades "Tolopa was born and raised in Russia ... when Tolopa was 18, she ... joined volunteers fighting on the front line ... She's also a single mother to a 6-year-old daughter."
- ALT1: ... that Russian military volunteer for Ukraine Yulia Tolopa threw tomato juice on a Ukrainian politician?
Source: https://112.international/society/a-russian-woman-spilled-tomato-juice-over-leader-of-radical-party-lyashko-11866.html "Julia Tolopa, former fighter woman from the Aidar battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who is the citizen of Russia, spilled tomato juice over the leader of the radical party Oleh Lyashko on the sidelines of Ukrainian parliament. "https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/nationalities-papers/article/between-frontline-and-parliament-ukrainian-political-parties-and-irregular-armed-groups-in-20142019/90BAFE7AA179511DA2B58240D943D8C4 "On December 8, 2016, Yuliia Tolopa, a former Russian citizen and female Aidar battalion fighter who had fled to Ukraine from Russia, attacked Liashko in the building of the Ukrainian parliament and spilt tomato juice over him." - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bianca Baptiste.
- Comment: Hook ALT1 is weaker IMHO, but more quirky. Reviewer's call. Note that given the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis, her status may change drastically at any day, so I'd appreciate a timely review and DYK post.
- ALT1: ... that Russian military volunteer for Ukraine Yulia Tolopa threw tomato juice on a Ukrainian politician?
Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk) and SusunW (talk). Nominated by GRuban (talk) at 19:11, 19 February 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: Quick comment here, but that fact that her Russian passport being blown up by a mine and thus making her ineligible to apply for Ukrainian citizenship is such a wacky and interesting fact which would also be perfect for DYK. Ornithoptera (talk) 01:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, sorry. The tomato juice, yes, wacky. The mine, not so much. It didn't just blow up the passport, it blew up the car she was in, injured her, and killed the three other people in it, who were presumably her friends and certainly her comrades, two immediately and one dying from his wounds in hospital. I'd rather not use it for "wacky". --GRuban (talk) 02:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's totally fair, I should have phrased it better and I apologize for that. I understand the severity of the situation in context and was not aware of that prior, and I understand your rationale for its exclusion. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, sorry. The tomato juice, yes, wacky. The mine, not so much. It didn't just blow up the passport, it blew up the car she was in, injured her, and killed the three other people in it, who were presumably her friends and certainly her comrades, two immediately and one dying from his wounds in hospital. I'd rather not use it for "wacky". --GRuban (talk) 02:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - WP:RSP lists 112 Ukraine as unreliable and previously deprecated, but I see that is the source for the second hook here. Hog Farm Talk 14:50, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Meh. WP:IAR. It's the television channel that actually televised the event, so I won't remove it from the article, but I'll add a Cambridge University Press source which should be bulletproof enough. (It's wrong, of course, she never "fled to the Ukraine from Russia", she never entered Russia again after doing anything that might cause her problems there, which merely points out our problem with dividing sources into reliable and unreliable.) I prefer the first hook anyway. --GRuban (talk) 16:02, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- @GRuban:
Article is new enough (moved to mainspace on 2022 February 19), long enough (11 682 prose bytes), sourced (quality of foreign-language sources accepted in good faith, and I'm fine with the way 112 Ukraine is used), neutral, and plagiarism-free (Earwig—AGF on foreign-language sources). Hook is interesting and the citation checks out, but the fact that she was 18 needs to be explicitly mentioned in the article, it only mentions the years. QPQ has been done—almost there! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Added a mention right to the section about when she started fighting. --GRuban (talk) 13:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- @GRuban: Nice work! This meets DYK criteria now, but this is still gonna be on hold for a while given ongoing DYK discussions... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah
. I understand the point, but I would not be surprised to be able to add a death date pretty much any moment. I went to the forlorn court of last resort to appeal; don't know if it will help. --GRuban (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've been back and forth on this myself, to be honest... I'm not sure we should be waiting until the crisis is resolved to start running topical hooks. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Considering the closure of Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Request_for_comment_on_Ukraine_and_Russia_hooks can you change the yellow question mark to a green checkmark? --GRuban (talk) 20:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
indeed I can :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:31, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Considering the closure of Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Request_for_comment_on_Ukraine_and_Russia_hooks can you change the yellow question mark to a green checkmark? --GRuban (talk) 20:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've been back and forth on this myself, to be honest... I'm not sure we should be waiting until the crisis is resolved to start running topical hooks. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah
- @GRuban: Nice work! This meets DYK criteria now, but this is still gonna be on hold for a while given ongoing DYK discussions... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Added a mention right to the section about when she started fighting. --GRuban (talk) 13:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
[[:File:Yulia Tolopa with medals and daughter.jpg|right|thumb|130px|Yulia Tolopa with uniform and daughter]]
- @Theleekycauldron and SL93: Please hang tight SL, hoping to get tag removed with Susun's help; User:Ffranc who placed the tag hasn't edited in a week, hopefully he'll come back and agree the issue is resolved? Also, found free images! How about this one for a (pictured), illustrates the hook nicely IMHO - Leeky, would you approve it? --GRuban (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- the image is... a little rough. could work with some cropping/retouching, but not as is, no. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- All right, will live without an image. The tag has been removed, though! Thank you User:Ffranc!--GRuban (talk) 21:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- the image is... a little rough. could work with some cropping/retouching, but not as is, no. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron and SL93: Please hang tight SL, hoping to get tag removed with Susun's help; User:Ffranc who placed the tag hasn't edited in a week, hopefully he'll come back and agree the issue is resolved? Also, found free images! How about this one for a (pictured), illustrates the hook nicely IMHO - Leeky, would you approve it? --GRuban (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Assuming good faith on foreign sources I cannot confirm/access reliability. Promoting the main hook to Prep 4 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)