Template:Did you know nominations/Zina Young Card Brown

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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Zina Young Card Brown

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• ... that Zina Young Card Brown distributed clothing to the needy of London, England in the aftermath of World War II? Source: "Zina’s heart was wrung by the privations suffered by members, particularly the shortages of clothing and other essentials such as shoes...Zina sort the clothing into categories and sizes—sweaters, pants, shirts, and so forth, which were then distributed to church ­members." (http://signaturebookslibrary.org/4-zinas-17/)
  • ALT1:... that Zina Young Card Brown fled Britain at the onset of World War II in 1939, amidst the threat of attacks by German submarines? Source: "Zina and her entourage of children and missionaries were on the high seas when German submarines sank the British liner the Athenia...When they arrived in New York, the flashing lights on the news sign at Times Square stated that 'our ship had arrived after dodging U boats for six days,' Charles later wrote." (http://signaturebookslibrary.org/4-zinas-17/)
  • ALT2:... that Zina Young Card Brown studied elocution at LDS College in 1908? Source: "Zina described the Founder’s Day celebrations at LDS College...determined to spend the summer of 1908 immersed in piano lessons...Zina was obviously still committed to finishing college, studying elocution professionally, and not marrying immediately." (http://signaturebookslibrary.org/4-zinas-14/)

• ALT3:... that Zina Young Card Brown wrote a poem entitled "Woman Exalted" to encourage and inspire women in post-WWI England? Source: "Zina became acutely aware of not only the physical needs of her British sisters, but also their lack of self-esteem...the thousands of British women whose men had been decimated by World War I...Many came forward in tears, expressing their gratitude for Zina’s insight and wisdom." (http://signaturebookslibrary.org/4-zinas-17/)

Created by Cstickel(byu) (talk). Self-nominated at 21:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC).

• New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. ALT3 seems the most hooky of the options, but the hook fact does not have an inline cite. The main problem with the article is it gives no indication of notability, especially in the lead. It just seems like a biography of a historic character. Why is she notable? Please note that Women in Red directions advise against listing her familial relations in the lead; she should be notable on her own merits. Images are freely licensed. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 22:37, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

• This article should probably be merged unless the subject can be shown to meet WP:N in her own right. I've read this article twice and can't really find anything notable about her that is not inherited. feminist (talk) 15:58, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

• Notability is based on coverage in sources independent of the subject. There are several chapters on Zina Young Card Brown in a book published by Signature Books (a publisher independent from the LDS Church). She also has a collection of her writings and a few photographs she took in our special collections archive. Ideally she would be notable outside of her relationships to other people, but I'm not sure if she is. Alma Mahler is notable, mostly for her relationships to other people--sometimes that's the case. Would you suggest merging her with Hugh B. Brown or Zina P. Young Card? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:41, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

• The only straight historical bios that I'm aware of are courtesans who hung out with famous writers and poets, or royal figures who never ascended the throne. It would be best to merge this into her mother's article with a short one- or two-paragraph description. Yoninah (talk) 21:15, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

• Cstickel is in the process of merging the page, so we'd like to rescind the nomination. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)