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RISC OS boxes at bottom of articles

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On the NetSurf page there's an AmigaOS 4 box at the bottom, which can be expanded. It contains grouped lists of related articles. Could we have something like this for articles relevant to RISC OS? Tlsa (talk) 16:09, 1 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

That's a good idea, but the question is what to include. I think the nearest we have at the moment is {{Acorn computers, clones and compatibles}}. How about this as a start, lifted from {{AmigaOS 4}}?
For 'Key software' what would be the threshold for providing "major functionality"? It's worth noting that there's been discussion of creating a '$.!Boot' article. There are no current killer apps for RO, so including historic apps (e.g. Sibelius (software)) in such a template would be giving undue weight with regard to current use of the OS. The notelist looks odd and could do with tweaking to give a horizontal bulleted list, with the bug workaround perhaps needing investigation - or maybe there's a better alternative solution. in some browsers, but that's probably a browser issue. -- Trevj (talk) 09:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
How about adding ADFS, Ram disk and WIMP to the list of OS Technologies?
Maybe an emulation section, which lists all the emulators for RISC OS hardware? Like ArcEm, RPCEmu, Arculator, VirtualRiscPC, etc?
For the Applications section, I think the important thing is to list those apps that are almost universally used by RISC OS users for some class of activity. Such as NetSurf, FTPc, ArtWorks, Zap, StrongEd, StrongHelp and Digital CD.
A section listing all the hardware capable of running RISC OS would be good too. Probably Archimedes Series, RiscPC, RiscStation, A9, Iyonix, BeagleBoard, PanadaBoard, etc. Tlsa (talk) 12:25, 3 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
Also, Drawfile could be on the list of OS technologies. I think RISC OS was fairly unique in having OS-wide support for a vector graphics format.
Drag & Drop is a pretty key feature of the UI too. Like dragging a save directly from one app to another. (E.G. saving a table from Tablemate as a Drawfile into an Impression document.) Maybe OLE too? Tlsa (talk) 13:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
I agree. Such articles could either be included in the navbox as redlinks or as plain text... redlinks may encourage writing the articles! Good idea. -- Trevj (talk) 04:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
So how about:
? -- Tlsa (talk) 09:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

This includes some more emulators from List of computer system emulators#Acorn Archimedes. In the short term, IMHO Drawfile and Spritefile should probably be piped (or redirected) to Draw (software) and Paint (RISC OS software)... as articles about the filetypes won't have much meaning without corresponding app articles. Such filetype articles will also be subject to potential deletion. But they could be spun out from the headings within the app articles in the future. I guess the navbox can be copied to {{RISC OS}} and further worked on from there. Also, by Development board (RISC OS) (singular, per WP:SINGULAR) does that include various Simtec ones, etc.? Personally, I'd also choose lower case 's' for series under Hardware but you and others may disagree. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 13:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've never heard of the ARM 2 emulator or a few of the others. Perhaps it would be better to list only the notable ones explicitly, and have a More... link to the category?
The WP:SINGULAR thing says classes of objects is an exception. This is the class of development boards to which RISC OS has been ported. I'd envision the page about such boards to include BeagleBoard, BeagleBoard xM, PandaBoard, etc. Each of their derivatives should be mentioned too, like TouchBook for the BeagleBoard, and that box that RComp ship for BeagleBoard xM. Not sure about Simtec ones, but if RISC OS ports are available for them, why not? Maybe SOC could be removed from that link title?
Perhaps worth adding the RiscStation R7000, and Omega to hardware list?
Lower case s for series sounds fine to me.
Sure Paint/Draw can be the articles those links point to.
I think it's Drawfile format and Sprite format, fwiw. (Not Spritefile) -- Tlsa (talk) 18:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
I think you're right about the less well-known emlators, and I don't think there's an appropriate category yet. WP:PLURAL has further info about titles, but (currently - unless there are articles about them) I doubt that Development boards (RISC OS) would meet the WP:GNG. Hmm, yes Spritefile probably isn't correct. -- Trevj (talk) 05:50, 7 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
From WP:PLURAL:
  • Articles that actually distinguish between multiple distinct instances of related items can be sensibly given a plural title when the alternative would be to create an inappropriately large number of short articles, one on each instance. The various Zeno's paradoxes, for instance, are incorporated into one article, with a correspondingly plural name.
I think that's exactly the case here. To avoid individual articles for RISC OS on each of the boards. Or we could just use separate articles for each board RISC OS is ported to. Don't know which is best. But an article covering the group called Development board (RISC OS) (singular) seems very odd since it would cover a whole load of completely separate products from unconnected companies. -- Tlsa (talk) 10:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
OK, I think I see what you mean. Finding reliable sources to justify the existence of the article might be a bit of a challenge though! However, none of this directly affects the creation of the proposed template. -- Trevj (talk) 11:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
On the subject of Drawfiles/Sprites, it's worth noting David Boddie's Python tools: [1], [2]. -- Trevj (talk) 21:56, 7 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
There's also two C libraries from the NetSurf project: [3], [4] -- Tlsa (talk) 12:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
Anyway, how's this:
? -- Tlsa (talk) 12:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

  Thank you I've just copied that directly across to {{RISC OS}}. Not sure if there's an easy way to include it at the bottom of articles but it shouldn't be too bad to do manually. Will make a start. -- Trevj (talk) 08:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

See Template talk:RISC OS#Inclusion in articles. -- Trevj (talk) 09:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
Since this project is rather small - and I doubt that enough people watching template talk pages - wouldn't it be wise to redirect the talkpages to this page and placing at the top here something like:
{{central|text=all template talk pages redirect here.}}
? Regards, mabdul 11:52, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Reply
That's probably sensible. If so, we could do the same with {{Acorn computers, clones and compatibles}}. -- Trevj (talk) 12:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've removed this link due to this redirect of Arthur (operating system) to RISC OS. --trevj (talk) 15:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

Proposed move/new title

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{{Acorn computers}}{{Acorn computers, clones and compatibles}}

This template was previously headed "List of Acorn, Ltd. microcomputers" and is now "Microcomputers by Acorn Computers". A page move and change in heading would legitimately allow expansion, e.g.

Any thoughts? --Trevj (talk) 14:53, 18 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

I don't see any problem with the changes you're suggesting to the template. --Pnm (talk) 00:04, 31 October 2011 (UTC)Reply
  Done -- Trevj (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2011 (UTC)Reply
With the title parameter stating Acorn Computers, clones and compatibles, that's an anomaly with the template name, which should perhaps be Acorn Computers, clones and compatibles. I guess it's not really important though. -- Trevj (talk) 09:29, 24 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Inclusion in articles

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  Moved from Template talk:RISC OS

This navbox is now added to the articles it links to. However, I've omitted including it in the following articles, on the grounds of undue weight considerations.

-- Trevj (talk) 09:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

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  Moved from Template talk:RISC OS

I've reincluded these. Further discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject RISC OS#RISC OS boxes at bottom of articles, linked to when created. -- Trevj (talk) 21:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

The red links have been removed by a different editor (with better justification this time). I'll leave them out now, but for reference the previous version where they can be easily viewed is 17:51, 27 October 2013. We should be able to make them blue and then reinclude them in the future. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 10:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Editnotices for Category:Template-Class RISC OS articles

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Requested editnotices, per advice at WP:TALKCENT and suggestion by User:Mabdul at #RISC OS boxes at bottom of articles. Thanks in advance. -- Trevj (talk) 09:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

  • I'm not sure what this was supposed to be but it clearly runs afoul of the idea that {{editprotected}} is to be used only to make a clear proposal for a specific edit. I have turned off all the requests for the time being, please do not put them back unless and until a clear, obvious proposal for a specific edit is attached to each one. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:15, 7 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
Thanks very much for having a look, and sorry for the confusion. The request is for the {tl|Editnotice central}} and {{Editnotice central redirected}} templates to be placed, in order to tidy a few things up, per WP:TALKCENT and the above discussion. In reviewing the {{Edit protected}} requests, I now see that I failed to include the necessary 'Template:Editnotices/Page/' prefix. Therefore, I'm reincluding below what I think is correct and hope it's clearer now. What do you think? -- Trevj (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the explanation,   Done. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:26, 7 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
  Thank you -- Trevj (talk) 06:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

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copyvio

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Hi, please check the article Star Fighter (video game). I found it by accident of the cleanup listing (see above) and recognized a big copyvio. Hopefully I caught all text, but one of the references is down. Since I removed some sections (or better saying the content) it needs a major rewrite and improvement. mabdul 14:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for letting us know here. -- Trevj (talk) 08:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

Anniversaries in 2012

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In 2011 we had the 30th anniversary of the BBC micro. This year will celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Acorn Archimedes and the 15th anniversary of the Acorn Network Computer. Therefore, perhaps these articles could be focus of some attention over the coming months. Does anyone else think this makes sense? It's probably logical to move to the respective talk pages for any further notes. -- Trevj (talk) 15:16, 27 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

Acorn Users

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The keen people over at 8bs.com have been adding further scans of Acorn User, now going up to the end of 2003! Excellent work - that's going to be a great help to us. -- Trevj (talk) 04:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Acorn clones and compatibles

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Which computers should be in the list of Acorn clones and compatibles in Template:Acorn computers, clones and compatibles? I think only those computers that were/are sold with a stable RISC OS version including license and commercially supported, currently Beagleboard xM in Kiste and ARMini. Raspberry Pi, BeagleBoard, DevKit8000, IGEPv2, Touch Book, Pandora, PandaBoard and PandaBoard ES are not sold with RISC OS, only have a unstable and/or incomplete RISC OS version and/or the RISC OS support is only done by the community. --Egel Reaction? 11:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

I understand now. The inclusion of the Touch Book but not the various devboards was because it is (was) a consumer product. As for support, you're right that it's nonexistent for such products. How about adding a separate section for consumer hardware for which an unofficial port is available, e.g. including the Pandora (console) as well as the TB (though probably not the devboards)? -- Trevj (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)Reply
  Done Others will be able to improve on this. -- Trevj (talk) 10:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

European resources

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Just the one so far, relating to historical Acorn/Olivetti stuff:

-- Trevj (talk) 12:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

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Userbox

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There are userboxes for various Operating Systems, but not RISC OS. So I created one. REH11 (talk) 03:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

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