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The list you requested

List of notable Girls Scouts in the United States

Thanks! --evrik 14:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Comments

The list is a bit too long, I will make a NL version from the FR version soon. --Egel _Reaction? 14:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• It may be too long, I don't know which ones you though were most relevant to the NL version. --evrik 17:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Caio Vianna Martins

He is most famous Brazilian Scout and he is an hero.--Ricardo Carneiro Pires 12:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Scouting Nederland

Egel and Wim: I have selected this article as the Selected Article of the Month for the Scouting portal. As you two are our resident experts on this topic, please look over the article (Scouting Nederland) and its portal draft version (Portal:Scouting/Selected article/November), and edit as you see fit to improve them. Also, I have selected Piet J. Kroonenberg as the bio of the month. Rlevse 22:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Question-Scouting Nederland says there are 90,000 scouts and 25,000 staff. Does staff mean adult volunteers who help run the units. This would make sense to me. But if it means Scouting Nederland paid professionals, it seems a very high ratio of staff relative to Scouts (about 1:4). Rlevse 10:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

25,000 adult volunteers, maybe 20 to 30 paid professionals. --Egel _Reaction? 14:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Why did you cut out Scouting Nederland from the Crown Scout part of the Eagle article? Wim said he's a Crown Scout. Has something changed? If so, what is it called now? Rlevse 10:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

1. Scouting Nederland officially swapped the rank-system (3th class - Crown Scout) for a system with just one "rank" (something like Second Class) somewhere in the mid 1970s. Scouts can still work on merit badges but not in a rank-system.

2. The Scouts section in the Netherlands is (officially) 11 to 14 year, so a scout doesn't have the time to pass all requirments for Crown Scout.

In reality about 7% of the groups work with the official system, 46% has a self-developed (or the old) rank-system and 48% has no rank-system.

So Wim has been scout before the mid 1970s or he is not a "official" Crown Scout. --Egel _Reaction? 17:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

So there's no highest rank/recognition under the current system? Rlevse 17:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Not officially. --Egel _Reaction? 17:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. I like the old way better. Rlevse 17:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I got my Crown Scout mid 1970s, I guess in 1975 or 1976, when I was 15/16. And indeed I was one of the last. I too find it a big pity that we don't have any ranking or other advancement methodology in Scouting Nederland any more. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 22:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC).

Scouting Barnstar

moved to userpage

Check out

You may want to check out Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Boy_Scout.Rlevse 13:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Selected photo

I've selected a photo of yours for next month. Can you add more of a description at Portal:Scouting/Selected picture/December. I can only tell it's a Dutch Scout camp. Thanks. Rlevse 20:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Egel, I've tried something. What do you think? SietskeEN 10:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Image needed

Do you have an image of BP's gravestone, to accompany the info you added to Religion in Scouting? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.204.105.10 (talk) 17:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

This one: B-P's Grave in Kenya but it is not free. Made a reference instead --Egel _Reaction? 17:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Very nice; thank you. I added a bit about the other two images on the stone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.204.105.10 (talk) 19:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Scouting FAC

See inline notes and edits by Outriggr, this is why I merged the history intro into the body. Let me know what you think. Sumoeagle179 15:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

There should be some kind of intro there. Do you like this one beter?:

Robert Baden-Powell founded the Scouting movement in England in 1907 based on his own experience, in and outside the army and information from other youth organizations. It was first only for boys but in 1910 it became for girls too. Later it spread all over the world to young people of all ages.

--Egel _Reaction? 16:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think the one you wrote here is better than what even I tweaked a few minutes ago. This one you just wrote is more of a summary.Sumoeagle179 16:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

...PS, I've been keeping an eye on this FAC since Rlevse is on wikibreak, I predict he'll come back.Sumoeagle179 16:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

See FAC talk page, it's best to leave this out right now.Sumoeagle179 23:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Wood Badge

Can you contribute to the Netherlands part of this? I'll be listing it for GA soon. 13:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I will try, but I'm not a Wood Badger.--Egel _Reaction? 15:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

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Look, I now the vision of brazillian people, but this is unreal, the same history of Santos Dumont. Rodrigo.T.Argenton 22:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Be Prepared

I noticed that you changed the "Be Prepared" article to revert to the previous entry, after I had added the original full quote. I've gone and switched it back, including a proper citation, which was lacking from the previous entry.

If Wikipedia is about knowledge, don't people have a right to know where the scout motto comes from? As in, the ORIGINAL complete quotation from Lord Baden-Powell himself?--Milo rules 16:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

People have that right. That is the reason that I had revert it. And please don't yell. Do you have a copy of the original text? The only place I could find your quote is at [1]. It has a strange high pagenumber for a leafet/magazine. --Egel _Reaction? 17:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

"To die for your country" is just one of the ways to do "the right thing at the right moment" --Egel _Reaction? 18:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you -scouts

I added the stuff about the Australian Sea scouts, but am new at the Wiki. Thank you for fixing up my formatting!

LukeCaroluke 11:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

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Joost

You listed him as a notable Scout, but his article says nothing about him being a Scout. Could you add that info and categories?Rlevse 15:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I have added the info with a ref. --Egel _Reaction? 18:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Deutscher Pfadfinderbund Südwestafrikas

Hi! Where did you find that there was but the one group, now? :) Chris 21:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfadfindergeschichte_im_deutschsprachigen_Raum

The song I found on http://www.pfadfinder-treffpunkt.de/include.php?path=treffpunkt/eintrag_bund_overview.php&land=118&tab=3 --Egel _Reaction? 08:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Pax Ting

Hi Egel. Nice article on Pax Ting - you've neatly condensed a lot of information into a small space. Would you check your source for the number of countries attending? You wrote 23 in the article. I have a book that says it was 32. I reckon somewhere along the line there's been a typo! Kingbird 08:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

"there were only 5800 girls" (some sources say 4000) and "It was decided that 120 Girl Guides and 12 leaders from every country could take part." when this is right: 23 countries => 2760 Guides and 276 leaders , 32 countries => 3820 Guides and 382 Leaders, so I think 32 is right. --Egel _Reaction? 12:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Guide laws

That is great work, thank you so much! Chris 14:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Egel _Reaction? 15:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Scouting WikiProject in the Signpost

We'll be in the Signpost on Wednesday, 2 Jan about 17:00 UTC, someone noticed us, be sure to read it, many of us get it, read it on my talk page if you like. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Ref My edits

Can I ask why we seem to "have" to have mentioned that "these are about the girl troops too" but on the Girl scout page, the co-educational material cannot say "these are about the boy troops too". Just curious to know your views on this. --Gothgirlangel1981 (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I will put my views on Talk:Boy Scout --Egel _Reaction? 14:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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List of World Organization of the Scout Movement members

Thanks for making the lists sortable! How neat! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Jan van Hoof

Wim and Egel...I've chosen this for the Scouting Portal Biography of the month. I thought you both may like to clean it up and add to it for this occasion. It's English grammar could use some work too-I worked a tiny bit on that. Thanks, hope you can help here. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Awards

I, Wikipedian2, award this Scouting Barnstar to Egel for not only wikipedia contributions but how this user has reflected the Scouting community and help recognise scouts for what they really are - It also goes towards the great contributions of Scouting related articles. 21:03, Thursday 03 July 2008

Just noticed this, the second time you got this. I've added it to the member recognitions page. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Age groups in Scouting and Guiding

moved to User talk:J Milburn

Replied. J Milburn (talk) 16:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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Logo

Image:Netherlandsigocpy.jpg How can this be PD and copyrighted? — Rlevse • Talk • 20:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Netherlandspo1911cpy.jpg same question. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

PD in USA, but maybe still copyrighted elsewhere. I don't know who the designer is and if he died more than 70 years ago. So free for use on en.wikipedia, but not for commons. But they are probably based on a design by B-P so it is safe to assume they will enter PD in the European Community on 2012-1-1. (The new year, after 70 years, after the death) --Egel _Reaction? 20:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned Scout Logo's by your actions

Sorry? I don't understand what you're asking. If the logos are not fairly used in any article, they should be deleted. If there is an issue about them being used in the future, they can be saved elsewhere or restored when they are needed. J Milburn (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm really not following. In what way am I being bureaucratic? Do you support leaving non-free images lying around when they are not being used on the off-chance they may be used in the future? J Milburn (talk) 17:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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Your issue is with how bold I am? There are a lot of pages with misused non-free media- people just don't seem to understand how strict our non-free content criteria are. My interpretations of the policy are perfectly standard ones among those who are familiar with it- you could almost view it as the same as correcting an often misspelt word. I'm not quite sure what you propose instead- leaving talk page messages is unwieldy considering the number of pages with abused non-free content, and redundant to an extent anyway because the consensus already exists. Messages to WikiProjects could work (and has done in the past) but efficient projects are the exception rather than the rule, and because it is entirely possible the WikiProject members will not understand the non-free content criteria- in this case, an editor I don't remember the name of offhand was all too quick to revert. Furthermore, you talk of life-and-death boldness- after BLP, the non-free content criteria is the negative policy (as opposed to the positive policies of reliable sources, neutral point of view etc) which has to be enforced the most strictly, as Wikipedia could hypothetically face legal charges over issues of non-free content. I suppose its the sheer number of pages (and the sheer apathy/lack of experience of a lot of editors) that mean I have to act in such a heavy-handed way, but I'm not some kind of renegade- the consensus already stands, I'm not pushing anything through, I'm following in the wake of others. As far as admins go, I'm actually pretty uncontroversial- I'm certainly not a controversial, IAR-loving admin. Interestingly, you challenged me before, saying that I was being too bureaucratic, but now you seem to be implying I should go through some process when removing non-free images- inform the right parties and get the right 'permission'. So what is it, am I overly bureaucratic, a rules-loving, process loving wonk, or am I some kind of rogue nut-job? You also mentioned civility- I'm sorry if I come across as uncivil- I do appreciate that I am talking to people who know a lot about their topics, and I do appreciate that I am talking to people who have the best interests of the project at heart. I have no intention of offending anyone. J Milburn (talk) 21:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

This is the reason I have to be bold, proof that what little process there is for this just does not work. J Milburn (talk) 21:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

KentekenWolf.gif

Image:KentekenWolf.gif is currently only used in List of highest awards in Scouting and is the only non-free image left in the article. It needs to be removed, but will then be orpaned and deleted. There is no article on FOS Open Scouting, where it would be more appropriate. Any ideas on what to do with this? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 17:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Made the article FOS Open Scouting and moved it to there. --Egel _Reaction? 20:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 00:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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Surinaamse Padvindsters Raad logos

I'd say the discussion there was sufficient, but I don't think the images are formatted particularly well- thumbnails probably aren't the best option in this case. J Milburn (talk) 18:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I've moved one logo to the left. If the logos of the organisation really are that important, a discussion of them and an accompanying image would be appropriate. For an organisation like this, with two sub-organisations, this doesn't seem to be a problem, but for a much larger organisation with 3 or more logos to display, even with the discussion, this may seem like overuse. We shouldn't be wondering whether we can get away with using a logo- we should be considering whether we can get away without using it. J Milburn (talk) 18:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

the or The

Wim and Egel: please provide input here: Category_talk:Scouting_in_The_Netherlands#rename_proposal — Rlevse • Talk • 01:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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Articles on the organzation were speedied twice. I do not consider the organization as notable; please see also the comments on User talk:Girlscoutsjm. --jergen (talk) 13:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Removal of gallerys

I undid most of your changes. In my eyes there are only two neutral possibilities of dealing with these images:

• Keeping all images, but not as gallery.
• Deleting all images.

Your solution of deleting only those emblems that are used in other articles is not neutral in my opinion. It puts undue weight on mainly secondary or tertiary organizations; most of those do not even reach the notability criteria.

WP:NPOV is also applicable to the illustration of articles. I remember mentioning this problem some time ago concerning Scouting in Belgium where the only emblems displayed were those of three small organisation with less than 1 % of the overall membership. --jergen (talk) 12:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

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Delftsche Zwervers

Wim and Egel, I've chosen a Dutch/Belgian theme for December for the Scouting Portal. I was wondering if you two could improve this article, including the lead, so I can select it for the Selected Article for December. I already have selected the image and person. It needs to be ready before 00:00 UTC on 1 Dec. Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Gilwell Ada's Hoeve

Hi egel, I reworded the DYK for Gilwell Ada's Hoeve here: in my proposal. You're the only one with a blocking vote. Would you care to change your vote or at least strike you blocking vote, in light of the changes? Wim van Dorst (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC).

Happy Egel's Day!

User:Egel has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Egel's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Egel! Peace, Rlevse ~ A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Raffles

Care to comment on its AFD? — Rlevse • Talk • 14:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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Baden Baden-Powell

Did this guy do anything for Scouts? If so please add. — Rlevse • Talk • 16:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Baden is to Air Scouts what Warrington is to Sea Scouts, but not that strong. --Egel _Reaction? 17:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Jean Jacques Rambonnet

Are you planning to expand this? — Rlevse • Talk • 11:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Off course, but I am not the one who started the article and I haven't had the time to make a proper translation of the article on NL. --Egel _Reaction? 11:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

OK. No problem. Note I changed your "cause" to "course" ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 23:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Scouting elections

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File:India Scouts-Guides Organisation.png

Thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Egel _Reaction? 12:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

File:De Nederlandsche Padvinders emblem.png

File:De Nederlandsche Padvinders emblem.png is unused and redundant to File:De Nederlandsche Padvinders.png. If you have no objections, I am going to delete it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

No objections --Egel _Reaction? 15:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Bronze Wolf Award.png

Take a look at the new one, it's beautiful! --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 08:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Deutscher Pfadfinderbund Namibia

I've always thought an article on this group would be fascinating, would you be willing to help in translation? http://www.az.com.na/kultur/allzeit-bereit.103996.php I can do it by machine but it will be rough. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 01:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

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Organizatsiya Ukraïns'kykh Skautiv

Thank you! --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. The organisation is quite open in the sense that the president likes to write on the internet. I will try to decypher more Ukrainian when I have the time. --Egel _Reaction? 07:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Scouting Antiano.svg

Hi

Thanks for the colour corrections on File:Scouting Antiano.svg - all I had to go from was File:Scouting Antiano.png which is an embroidered badge, so not very clear, or true colour. The link you gave: http://www.jcc-curacao.com/index.php?page_id=4&style_id=0 loads very slowly for me and never finishes, and I can't see an image there at all. If you have something better for the fleur, please let me know, and I can redraw it. One of the problems is that the colours clash, so svg/monitors create uneven keylines around that shape. Try changing the colour of the red cross to blue , cyan, or yellow and you'll see the unevenness "swap" sides. If you remove the keyline on the fleur entirely, a fake one still appears. I'm not entirely sure that some of it isn't even an optical illusion. As I say though, anything better than that png to show the fleur would be great.  Begoon^talk 15:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Link to the logo: http://www.jcc-curacao.com/foto/33 --Egel _Reaction? 15:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't work for me at the moment. I'll try again tomorrow - maybe a site problem or connection issue. Thanks.  Begoon^talk 16:20, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The link worked today (it worked for a while - it doesn't load again now - seem to be some problems with that website) - so the fleur is redrawn. Thanks for the information.  Begoon^talk 13:34, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the redrawning. The internet link between the Netherlands Antilles and the Netherlands is probably better than to where you are. --Egel _Reaction? 13:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles

Egel, what will happen to the Scout and Guide organizations when the Netherlands Antilles dissolves in two months? Five separate organizations? Do they revert to branches of Scouting Nederland?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Nothing changes for Aruba. Most people live on the largest island Curaçao, Bonaire is close to Curaçao and 3, 4 or 5 groups is to small to become a separate regio of Scouting Nederland and joining an existing regio has some disadvantages. I think it is more likely that the Bonaire groups will stay with the Curaçao groups and maybe the Sint Maarten groups will join the French.

• Padvindstersvereniging van de Nederlandse Antillen:10 Guide groups on Curaçao, 1 on Bonaire, none on Sint Maarten, Saba and Sint Eustatius
• Scouting Antiano: 21 Scout groups on Curaçao, 2 on Sint Maarten, 2 on Bonaire, none on Saba and Sint Eustatius.

I will try to find more information. --Egel _Reaction? 08:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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File:Ikatan Pandu Indonesia.png

I didn't realize you were so good at graphics! Since this one is Dutch-related, care to try your hand?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:27, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I hope you like what I made. I have made a svg, when I know what colours to use I will upload it. Do you have any idea what the colours were? Can you give the logo some related content? --Egel _Reaction? 17:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The inside colors should be the same as File:Coat of Arms of Indonesia.svg, the star and fleur-de-lis colors I think are the green and white of the png. I will add content when I get back from work today--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

That is a great start! You found a really good source, I never saw that, can you also add the scroll that reads SEDIA? I believe I have some pictures of my collection (5000 miles away) on my home computer, let me check and send them when I get there. Thank you!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 11:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

The scroll is not a big problem, the difficult part is the overhand knot. Sedia = Prepare (Imperative mood ?) Done. --Egel _Reaction? 14:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Can you colorize the scroll to match-red with gold script?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Done --Egel _Reaction? 10:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant, just stunning! Sorry for the late reply! This is one of my favorite images!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

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Two ideas...

I just created Category:Scout and Guide emblems in the public domain last night. Please have a look and tweak what you want, does it look okay to you? The images should be marked for move to Commons, however, some are ready to move to Commons, some should be vectorized (svg) before we move them to Commons. Since you are good with svg, can you help?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Are all 4 points valid grounds for being public domain? Point 1 is only a safe assumption for it not being a registered trademark, it has no consequence for the copyright. Point 2 is valid for the copyright and it is unlikely an organisation still uses the same emblem after 70 year. Point 3: the same for Germany? ask Jergen. Point 4: You can only assume local and temporary event insignia were never registered as trademark or still registered as trademark after the event. (for example the World Jamboree insignia). In most counties copyright registration is/was never needed, all publications are/were automatic protected by copyright law.

Those are good points, I will bring Jergen here as he is knowledgeable and cautious about such issues.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I am learning svg step by step, I don't think I very good yet. --Egel _Reaction? 19:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I think you are great already, much better than I could possibly do!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Commons and logos/emblems isn't easy. Some comments:

• at 1: I can't comment on this, but this would not be practical in de.wp.
• at 2: The clause "as all Scout and Guide emblems are by nature derivative works based on the original ideas of Lord and Lady Baden-Powell" is strange.

  (1) There are some emblems which are certainly no derivative works of Baden-Powell's design. (BTW: BP'S designs are (at least) protected until January 1, 2012; designs by OBP are protected until January 1, 2048.)

  (2) It is very straightforward to assume that an author has not disclosed his identity when only the wp-description does not mention an author.

• at 3: Most (or all) German emblems are below the threshold of originality in Germany, but not in the US. Even those that are below it, are (or could be) trademarked in Germany, which is a problem on Commons.
• at 4: Could not be used in Germany. I don't think that this rule is compliant with Commons.
• at 5: This can be used for transfer to Commons - but there are only two (or three) emblems in the category: File:Lone Scouts of America 2.png, File:Svenska Missionskyrkans Ungdom Scout.svg and perhaps File:Asociación de Guías de Cuba.svg.

On Commons, there is somewhere an help page on logos - but I could not find it. Personally, I would not move most of the files to Commons since I fear that a large part of them would be deleted. --jergen (talk) 10:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

File:Association Nationale des Guides de Centrafrique.png

Can you color this one like your new Suriname? Thank you!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 18:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

It's great, thank you!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you so much!

That flag is beautiful! I have also added it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Article incubator/German-speaking Scouts in Namibia, if you can improve that page, please do! --Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments on some emblems

Recent uploads:

• File:Kolonialpfadfinder.svg

  Unfortunately, the emblem in the source is not very realistic. The emblem was always black and white (more like the earlier version [2]), the cross had a faint border line and the outer leaves of the fleur-de-lis did not cover any part of the white quarters. If you are interested, I could provide a scan of original material.

• File:Bund deutscher Pfadfinder Südwestafrikas flag.svg

  This flag ist still in use by the Deutscher Pfadfinderbund Namibia; the corresponding emblem was the triangle in the center of the flag (in black and white), which was changed to the winged blue and gold triangle some years ago.

Image requests:

• http://media.scoutwiki.org/Image:Christliche_Pfadfinderschaft_Deutschlands.svg is not correct. I have got a better png somewhere.

Thanks for your work. --jergen (talk) 08:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

• The colours in Kolonialpfadfinder.svg are as requested by Kintetsubuffalo. On the flag in File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-12814,_Kairo,_Gruppe_deutsche_Pfadfinder.jpg, outer leaves of the fleur-de-lis do cover a part of the white quarters. Please provide a scan.
• If you have a better picture of the "triangle" and/or the present Deutscher Pfadfinderbund Namibia logo then please provide. Both svg's are best guesses on the basis of (very) low resolution pictures.
• Please provide that png. Is it like the first page of [3] or like page "20/21" of [4] (picture of the singewettstreit)?

--Egel _Reaction? 07:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I requested the colors in Kolonialpfadfinder.svg as there is definite shading in that PDF which matches the shading of the Cairo photo. But if you say black-and-white, okay. The Christliche Pfadfinderschaft Deutschlands one appears to match their website.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

@Egel: could you please leave my an email adress? --> Special:EmailUser/Jergen

• File:Kolonialpfadfinder.svg needs certainly reworking; the flag on File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-12814, Kairo, Gruppe deutsche Pfadfinder.jpg is most certainly handmade like nearly all Scouting flags of the period. I'll mail a scan.
• The Namibia/South-west-african triangle is perfect (or verx close to it); bit I'd like to have a standalone version of it in black and white which was in use until twenty years ago (or so).
• Both pdfs don't show the original (and correct) design. I'll send something better. --jergen (talk) 12:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing, and for sorting out the licence too. Stronach (talk) 18:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Good to see you back!

You've been missed!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

That's the downside if you're unemployed first and then start working full time. --Egel _Reaction? 15:15, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I lose my job October 30, so for me the reverse. Glad to hear your star's rising.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

WFIS and Ireland

In your recent update of World Federation of Independent Scouts, you removed Ireland from the list of members [5]. Did they really leave or was this only an error in editing? --jergen (talk) 07:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Irish BPSA closed down, see: http://www.traditionalscouting.ie/ --Egel _Reaction? 08:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just hoping that the selected pictures on the website of the remaining Rover Crew do not show the everyday stile of Scouting in the former BPSA Ireland. --jergen (talk) 14:31, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

File:Comunidade do Escutismo Lusófono.svg

Can you put the background swoosh on this before it gets deleted?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 14:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

when you're back...

What do you think of categorizing http://media.scoutwiki.org/Category:Scouting_organization_logo by continent? As it is, it's an ugly mess.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

We know, most of media.scoutwiki.org's categorizing is an an ugly mess. --Egel _Reaction? 14:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

If I try to fix it, will they be okay with it?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome to help. I don't see a problem. --Egel _Reaction? 18:15, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice to see you back! I miss your beautiful work!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Can you move http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:National_Association_of_Girl_Guides_and_Girl_Scouts_of_Armenia_1996.svg from Commons to EN:WP? It's gonna get deleted there, but we need it here.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Uploading it on EN:WP gives an error, but I have uploaded it on Scoutmedia [6] --Egel _Reaction? 14:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

What is the error? Same name, wait until it's deleted type of thing?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Got it fixed!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Single Group links on Belgian Scouts Page.

Egel, Thanks for the feedback on my edit. Really sorry it didn't follow the rules - but I made it in good faith as you noted.

The strange thing is that to get details on the three British groups in Belgium you would have to go to BSWE, then drill down to BENELUX and then pull out the groups in Belgium. That's kind of why I made the edit - 1st Brussels and 1st Waterloo both have sites but Shape doesn't right now.

Anyway thanks for doing such a fantastic job at maintaining these pages.

Best Regards Mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.153.14 (talk) 20:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

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Back yet?

I miss your beautiful artwork!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Wait for the summer holiday, until then follow http://media.scoutwiki.org/Special:NewImages . --Egel _Reaction? 19:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for cleaning up those images! The Qatar I uploaded today could also use a clear background, when you have time! :) --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

done --Egel _Reaction? 17:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, can you look at File:Scouting Forn Siðr.png too?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:21, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hope you're doing okay, brother!

I miss you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

My real life outside of Wikipedia has undergone a major expansion: I became a father a month ago, so I had to rearrange my priorities a bit. --Egel _Reaction? 15:00, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations! Am I an aunt or an uncle? :)--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

It does not matter to me what you want to be. :-) But he is a boy, if that is the thing you want to know --Egel _Reaction? 18:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm an uncle! ;) What's his name, how big, birthday...?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

• given names: Luurt Rohan Elian
• mass: 3975 g
• date & time: 2011-10-29 12:02 CEST
• place: 51.997545°N 4.335737°E / 51.997545; 4.335737

I had to convert that into the Imperial system, but that's a healthy size baby, and today is his one-month birthday, congratulations!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I do not know which of the 20 types of ounces you should use for babies. Babies are mostly water so it will be a fluid ounce, but us or imperial? But Luurt is my most precious possession, so perhaps better in troy ounces? --Egel _Reaction? 21:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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Can you make an svg or clear-background png of this one? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

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Fantastic!

Thank you! Then with that model, I am going to try and get the series of Russian emblems undeleted. Would you support me if I run with it?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

By the way, what then is the "Tahiti" emblem? Local council?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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• I just asked that this be restored. --evrik ^(talk) 14:29, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I tried restroing the images, but that sparked another edit war. [7]. I suggest you add the images back with some discussion, even if it is rudimentary, so that it may be expanded. --evrik ^(talk) 22:14, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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It was the closest term I could find to represent the current situation. NA hasn't existed for three years. If there is a better name, I would support it.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you so much! I'm gonna send you the old one I was talking about, see if you have any ideas.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow, great, thank you! Sorry I had to go to bed.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 23:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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I started stubs for Esther Welmoet Wijnaendts Francken-Dyserinck, Javaansche Padvinders Organisatie, and Mangkunegara VII. You might have better material/sources in Dutch.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I will try. Esther went to a school (Gymnasium Erasmianum) where I have worked at. I've already found some newspaper articles about Scouting in the Netherlands Indies before 1916. --Egel _Reaction? 12:11, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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I know you've sworn off graphics...

but might you consider working your magic on File:Boy Scouts of America Scouting USA 1972-1987.png? It's different from the present one and I can't find a style sheet for it.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:44, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I wil try. [8] [9]

--Egel _Reaction? 07:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Done, hopefully low-res enough. I have it in svg too. --Egel _Reaction? 20:20, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Mine shows up as irregular edges with a crooked white border, can that be fixed? 270px is the norm they won't fight you. Where have you parked the svg?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:33, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

It is parked at Scoutmedia, but has some issues. --Egel _Reaction? 08:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Wow! What happened?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:46, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Not all programs that do the conversion from svg to png are good in converting text. Not a big problem, the original is ok--Egel _Reaction? 10:17, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

ps-can you make the png larger-res, like closer to the dimensions of the original image? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:06, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Where can I find a larger-res line drawing of the "eagle"? --Egel _Reaction? 10:17, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

That's been my problem, I can't find a style sheet for it and Google is impossible.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:15, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Much better, thank you! What happened with the svg issues? You fixed it! Brilliant!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Aside from size, that's the difference between your last two svgs?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:06, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

The most important are: top part turned straight, edges straightened, stains removed, converted letters to shapes. --Egel _Reaction? 10:00, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Can you take the newer, cleaner File:Barbados Scouts.jpg (which should not be on Commons) and overwrite File:Barbados Boy Scouts Association.svg? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:32, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: October 2021

WikiProject Scouting | October 2021 It is with sadness that we note the passing of Jim Howes. Throughout his life, Jim worked to make the world a better place. WikiProject Scouting now has no administrators listed as willing to help the WikiProject. If you are an administrator and are willing to help, please let us know here. Things to watch for: New: Newest articles Alert: Article alerts Continuing: To do Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: May 2022

WikiProject Scouting | May 2022 Notes for May: Please go and "watch" this page: Article alerts. You will quickly see if any issues arise. Here is a list of other pages to watch as well: Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Watch Congratulations to our Barnstar awardees! We want to develop a featured portal, look here if you want to help. Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: July 2022

WikiProject Scouting | June 2022 Notes for June: Hey! Hey! We have updated Portal:Scouting/Recognized content, go give it a look! Congratulations to our Barnstar awardees! We still want to develop a featured portal, look here if you want to help. Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications | watch

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: August 2022

WikiProject Scouting | August 2022 Notes for August: Happy Scout Scarf Day! You wearing your neckerchief today? We are working to develop a featured portal, look here if you want to help. These three articles are our top candidates to work up into Good Articles. Gilwell Park Girl Guides World Organization of the Scout Movement Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications | watch

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: January 2023

WikiProject Scouting | January 2023 Notes for January: We are working to develop a featured portal, look here if you want to help. These three articles are our top candidates to work up into Good Articles. Gilwell Park Girl Guides World Organization of the Scout Movement Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications | watch

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: March 2023

WikiProject Scouting | March 2023 Notes for March: The article on the The Scout Association was recently "delisted" from Good Article status. Help is requested. We are working to develop a featured portal, look here if you want to help. Looking for a new project? perhaps authoring an article on Aids to Scoutmastership Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications | watch

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: July 2023

WikiProject Scouting | July 2023 Notes for July On our To do list, we need to prioritize some tasks for articles outside of the US or the UK. The Scout Association has been nominated for a good article reassessment. 25th World Scout Jamboree, this may be a good time to improve this article. Anyone going? We want to develop a featured portal, look here if you want to help. Wood Badge, Brownsea Island Scout camp and Philmont Scout Ranch all need attention. Announcements for the benefit of all Please go and "watch" this page: Article alerts. You will quickly see if any issues arise. Here is a list of other pages to watch as well: Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Watch Other ways to participate Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: May 2024

WikiProject Scouting | May 2024 Notes for May: Looking for something to work on? Try looking at, Category:Scouting articles needing attention. Some important articles that need help: The Scout Association, NAYLE, Philmont Training Center, BSA Leadership Training, COPE We are working to develop a featured portal, look here if you want to help. Looking for a new project? perhaps authoring an article on Aids to Scoutmastership Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage | Help us plan future events Become a member | Opt-out of notifications | watch

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