Template talk:Christchurch

Central City

The central city is not listed as a separate suburb. What is listed is Christchurch, and that of course goes to the city as a whole. Can I suggest that:

• Central City be added as a separate suburb of Christchurch, and
• this replaces 'Christchurch' in the list of suburbs?

I would appreciate your thoughts.Schwede66 (talk) 20:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I suggest a separate group within the template for the "central city", which would link to Cathedral Square, Christchurch and Christchurch CBD (although the latter has yet to be written, and if you think it is more appropriately named Christchurch Central City or similar, that's fine by me). If there are articles on the major inner city streets, they could be added too. Christchurch Cultural Precinct is another possible article.-gadfium 18:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Interesting thought. However, this might end up as a very long list, and it will possibly keep growing over time (e.g. Christchurch Hospital is an obvious one that would deserve its own article). I've had a quick look and the following are physically located within the CBD:

• ChristChurch Cathedral (Christchurch, New Zealand)
• Hack Circle
• Christchurch Arts Centre
• Canterbury Museum (New Zealand)
• Christchurch Art Gallery Te Puna o Waiwhetu
• Twelve Local Heroes
• Christchurch Casino
• Christchurch Convention Centre
• Christchurch Town Hall of the Performing Arts
• Centre of Contemporary Art
• Christ's College, Canterbury
• University of Otago Christchurch School of Medicine
• Christchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology
• Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament, Christchurch
• Music Centre, Christchurch
• Hagley Park, and located within

• Hagley Oval, Schwede66 (talk) 04:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
• International Exhibition (1906) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwede66 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Christchurch Botanic Gardens —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwede66 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Ballantyne's store disaster

So where would you draw the line? And is it really useful to have some category for all the suburbs, and another one for everything that is physically located within the CBD? Maybe it is more useful to:

• have a new article Christchurch Central City,
• amend the existing template where Christchurch Central City replaces Christchurch,
• create a template that lists the above, and
• add the template to the articles that are listed (plus perhaps to Christchurch itself)Schwede66 (talk) 23:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If there's no further discussion on this, I'll go ahead with setting up Christchurch Central CitySchwede66 (talk) 20:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Schwede66/Christchurch Central City now exists - feel free to add to this at your heart's content. Schwede66 (talk) 04:25, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Page on Christchurch Central City is now published. Schwede66 (talk) 00:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Edgeware

Edgeware is defined by Google Maps, so I've added it to the template. It currently redirects to Edgware (disambiguation). Please discuss if there are any issues. Schwede66 22:14, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

New suburb stubs

I thought I'd set up some stubs for missing suburbs. The first redlink that I looked at, Balmoral Hill, does not appear to be a suburb, though. Google Maps doesn't know it, Gordon Ogilvie's The Port Hills of Christchurch doesn't include it, but mentions the 1958 Balmoral Lane subdivision in a single sentence in this substantial book. I'll thus remove it from the list. Schwede66 19:44, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Moncks Spur appears to fall into a similar category. It's a single road up a spur, and Google puts the spur into Redcliffs. I'll remove Moncks spur from the template; if there are objections, please discuss this here. Schwede66 18:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll remove Hyde Park from the list. Again, it doesn't appear to be a suburb. It's part of Avonhead. Maybe it exists in some people's minds because there's a bus route that terminates at Hyde Park (which is just that - a park). Any comments?Schwede66 21:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Same for Queenspark. It's part of Parklands. Schwede66 21:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Same for Ouruhia; it's part of Styx. Schwede66 22:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Bridgend (Q54865379) is a curious one. It's listed by the New Zealand Gazetteer as an official name (gazetted in 1992) but Google doesn't know it and neither is it listed in Christchurch Place Names. Stats NZ doesn't use the name. Schwede66 20:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Inadvertently lost this by mistake when adding my section, have re-added! On this note though, I'd never heard of Murray Aynsley Hill before - are we sure it's its own suburb? Turnagra (talk) 20:16, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Turnagra, all my books are currently packed up as we are moving. It'll have to wait. Schwede66 19:14, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Landsdowne/Lansdowne spelling

Someone might have relevant imformation? There is ambiguity about the spelling of this word. [1] It seems to alternate between places and also within places. My guess is that all these names originated from Lord Lansdowne and has been randomly spelled as pronounced, with a 'd' over time within NZ in various locations. The street in ChCh has different spellings on the signs at each end! LINZ and CCC has two spellings for that street. The South Canterbury settlement and the N Cant farm also varies. There is no info on the library placename list about its origin either. Thanks, Roger 8 Roger (talk) 00:12, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I've got Places Names of New Zealand on my bookshelf and that has the answer to your query. I've written a wee stub as that's the easiest way to document this. Schwede66 03:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ward structure

@Paewiki: I'm not sure about the ward structure. Christchurch does not have formally agreed boundaries for its suburbs. As a result, there is always a big squabble over this. The boards have just gone through a big review process and all the ward names will change in coming months. Which wards form a community board will also change. The underlying issue, though, will not go away, and that is that some suburbs are split across different wards. The worst case is probably St Albans, which is divided across no fewer than four different wards. Hence my concern whether this ward or board structure is suitable for Christchurch suburbs. Schwede66 04:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I see your point. I've tried a few ward-based structures and they all seem to have the problems you mention. We could revert to the old structure or a more general north/coastal/central/west/south structure? Paewiki (talk) 10:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Maybe revert to the old structure. But let’s see whether others will chip in. I’m not set on it. Schwede66 15:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

During 2021, this template has had three different structures. The original structure was a list of major and minor suburbs just in Christchurch, i.e. not including Banks Peninsula. At that stage, it mirrored Template:Banks Peninsula. It's only occurred to me just now, Paewiki, that the ward structure doesn't really work, as that is reflective of the local government area and therefore ought to include the wards on Banks Peninsula. And those are currently absent. So in my view, we should either revert to the original structure, or if we wanted to keep the ward structure, then we need to cover the BP wards as well. Schwede66 19:50, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I've had similar thoughts re. the ward structure. I think that having a rough regional focus would be okay (ie. removing the 'ward' from the names and just having it as 'northern suburbs' and so on) since I also had an issue with the last one in terms of what constitutes a major vs. minor suburb. I briefly considered using the actual wards but there's a lot of them and suburbs often go across multiple, which would just confuse things more. Turnagra (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Turnagra, I think that's a great idea and would be more simple and meaningful than wards. User:Schwede66, definitely agree regarding Banks Peninsula. Paewiki (talk) 04:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks - I've gone and edited the template accordingly. Hopefully that helps things a bit! Turnagra (talk) 18:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Outlying suburbs

Redirecting a post I made on the WPNZ noticeboard - I'm curious as to the placement of some outlying areas and whether they should be treated as suburbs. The ones I've identified (with my initial thoughts) are:

• Banks Peninsula - remove
• Kainga - list as suburb
• Templeton, New Zealand - remove, as it's on the Selwyn District navbox
• Paparua - unsure
• Lansdowne, Christchurch - keep?
• Spencerville, New Zealand - is this a town or a suburb? Brooklands is further out but considered a suburb
• McLeans Island - unsure, probably keep given it's usually treated as part of the city

Any thoughts on how we could address these would be great. Perhaps a satellite town section, but then where do you draw the line? Kaiapoi? Rangiora? Ashburton? Turnagra (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

We should stick to areas within Christchurch city. There is also "Greater Christchurch", which has been around for some time and was specifically defined in some earthquake recovery legislation. It excludes Banks Peninsula but includes the more urban parts of Selwyn and Waimakariri districts. There currently isn't an article for it and if there was, that would be a logical home for the likes of Kaiapoi, Rangiora and Rolleston. Schwede66 07:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Schwede66 - I've removed Paparua, Banks Peninsula and Templeton for now while we figure out what to do with Greater CHCH. Having checked the map, the defined area of Greater Christchurch is a lot bigger than I thought with a lot of towns (especially to the west) which I wouldn't necessarily have included (basically anything beyond Darfield at an absolute stretch). Perhaps we could use a narrower definition than the legislation, including the towns you mentioned, the peninsula, Templeton, Lincoln, West Melton and Darfield? I'm also still not sure what to do with Spencerville, given its apparent status as a quasi-town with suburbs beyond it. Turnagra (talk) 18:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see that there are different definitions for Greater Christchurch, Turnagra. The map you point to comes from the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Act 2011 and covers three districts in their entirety. What I was thinking of was defined in a later piece of legislation and that covers a much smaller area from each district. Here's a map of it. This was defined in the Greater Christchurch Regeneration Act 2016 through wards and meshblocks (which I thought was a bizarre way of doing it, but never mind). Schwede66 19:11, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh that's a much better definition (though I do wish they had a slightly larger map) - going off that then, Greater Christchurch would include Banks Peninsula, Burnham, Kaiapoi, Lincoln, Pegasus, Rangiora, Rolleston, Tai Tapu, Templeton, West Melton, and Woodend. I'm reasonably happy with that as a list, if you reckon it works? We could maybe specify Akaroa but I think Banks Peninsula mostly covers that. Turnagra (talk) 19:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Turnagra, no, most of Banks Peninsula is excluded as per that last map. Schwede66 19:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Schwede66 I noticed that, but I feel that we should probably still include the peninsula given that it's within the jurisdiction of Christchurch City Council and I feel like most people would group it as part of greater Christchurch. Turnagra (talk) 06:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)