Template talk:Cite QPN

Updating URLs

A new government in Queensland, and, for no good reason, new URLs for the place name database. Sigh. Kerry (talk) 01:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

agree, now how to get it fixed ? Dave Rave (talk) 00:15, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

How to fix the Qld Govt's persistently inconsiderate behaviour in relation to URL stability? I don't know. Complaining doesn't work. As to how to mitigate it, this template is our best answer. At least it means only one place to have to redirect the URL instead of fixing URLs in now thousands of articles. What it cannot do though is provide a link through to the original place name entry as a query string at the back of the URL (as we used to do) as they have replaced that with a "deep web search" and the URL in the address bar with the returned results is not persistent. So the best we can do is provide a URL to the search function and tell the user in the citation what name and entry number is the source so they can verify against that. But if you have any better ideas, please speak up. This is a problem that affects us in relation to lots of Qld State Govt content. Kerry (talk) 08:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@Dave Rave: I just saw your edit on The Summit, Queensland and realised what motivated your message here. I really don't think it's a good idea to replace a cite QPN template with a roll-your-own citation because it makes it much harder (for me, as nobody yet has ever offered to help) to fix them when the Qld Govt merges/renames departments, rejigs their website, etc. There is no commitment from them that the URLs returned from the current search are persistent so I am reluctant to use them without that commitment. So it's not that the cite QPN is broken, it's just the best we can do at the moment, given the Qld Govt arrangements. So, while you might have thought you improved The Summit article, you only did so until they rejig the website and then it's linkrot whereas the template here (used by over 1000 articles) will be updated as best we can given what's possible with the Qld Govt's latest design disaster. Kerry (talk) 08:23, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

that was more an additional note for helping this template problem ... I'd fix it but I'm not greatly savvy, I'd get it done, but then they change it again ... Dave Rave (talk)

@Dave Rave: I've updated the template. I think I can force the URL to be regenerated by this search URL. It worked fine on the test cases in my sandbox, but if you spot any problems, let me know. We can always roll it back to the previous version (but this one is better -- provided it works!). Note, you may have to purge the page to get the new version of the tempate to work. If you are seeing the same-old search screen, then that's probably the problem. Kerry (talk) 06:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 23 January 2020

The website linked to by this templte is CC-BY-4.0 licensed so I would like to allow it to be both a citation and attribution in a similar style to {{Cite SLQ-CC-BY}} which wraps a {{Cite web}} with a CC-BY attribution.

I think the wrapper would be:

[[File:CC-BY-icon-80x15.png]] This Wikipedia article incorporates [[CC-BY-4.0]] [https://www.dnrme.qld.gov.au/home/legal/copyright licensed] text from:

then the current construction of the cite web template, followed by

[[Category:Articles incorporating text from the Queensland Place Names]]

which should say:

This category is for articles that incorporate text from the [[Queensland Place Names]] website released under [[CC-BY-4.0]] license. They should contain the {{tl|cite QPN}} to attribute the use of the text. That template provides this category as a tracking category.

{{Hidden category}}

[[Category:Articles incorporating text from the Queensland Government]]

Thanks Kerry (talk) 08:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

This phrasing may look awkward in References sections, as in Carnarvon National Park. The "this WP article incorporates..." construction is typically used at the bottom of an article, or in Sources sections. This request should probably be implemented in a way that is similar to that used at {{EB1911}}, with options for different text display. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: what Jonesey suggests sounds sensible to me, and I'm sure he/she would not mind helping if needed. Please work in the /sandbox and let us know when it is ready to deploy — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I gather you are not familiar with Queensland content. We have a lot of our public institutions publishing CC-BY material and we are increasingly using it in Wikipedia articles. For example, the Queensland Heritage Register is CC-BY and we have many articles either initially based on its text or substantially expanded with its text where we do an attribution at the bottom of the article, e.g. Rockhampton Customs House. But we also have source material in things like the Queensland Place Names Database (the subject of this citation template) and others where we are not talking about large chunks of text on which an article is base, but little snippets. People are pushing back on the "big attribution" at the end of articles for reuse of small quantities of text in favour of putting CC-BY flags and a few words into the citation, a few people are alredy doing this with the Australian census but I don't think they aren't doing it with a template, just doing it manually I think. Mostly the text we re-use from the Qld Place Names is the origin of the name, so if you look at [1], you see that the bit we would want to reuse is "Named after Robert O'Hara Burke (1821-1861), explorer, by its association with the Burke River". So the idea is to do have templates that combine the citing and and the attribution in one template. For some sites with a mix of content where the re-use might be large or small, we have two templates, one for use at the bottom of the article for large re-uses and another one combined with the citation for small re-uses, e.g. {{SLQ-CC-BY}} and {{Cite SLQ-CC-BY}}. Since the Qld Place Names does not contain a large amount of text in any entry, I don't think we need two separate templates as it would all be lightweight re-use, but we could go down the route of two templates. Kerry (talk) 07:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure what ws the point of the Carnarvon National Park example -- it doesn't use one of these lightweight cite/attribution approaches as far as I can see? Whereas Bowen, Queensland has two of them (census, and Indigenous language origin). They are styled similar to the EB1911 (they might look longer in wikitext due to the URL but that's not visible in the reference. I don't think they appear too heavyweight (certainly less heavyweight than a bottom of page attribution). Kerry (talk) 07:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

If the goal is to be super-lightweight we could just put in the link to the license:

[https://www.dnrme.qld.gov.au/home/legal/copyright Reusing] {{cite QPN|5355|Bowen|accessdate=25 January 2020}}

producing:

Reusing "Bowen (entry 5355)". Queensland Place Names. Queensland Government. Retrieved 25 January 2020.

or something in-between. Kerry (talk) 08:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 31 January 2020

In |title=, please change the spaced hyphen ( - ) to a spaced en dash ( – ) to comply with MOS:DASH. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:21, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:40, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Broken?

I see that there were problems a few years ago, and don't know if this is related, but the links all seem to lead to the search page only today. :-( Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:35, 27 February 2022 (UTC)