Template talk:Dances of Native American Nations

Thoughts

I am delighted that you created this navbox, but I take issue with the classification scheme. Powwows themselves have a "religious" element to them, so I am concerned that classifying some dances as "powwow/social" could be viewed as offensive. I would suggest a better classification scheme would be men's/women's or perhaps north/south. Actually, there really isn't a need to subdivide much, given the low number of articles. Montanabw^(talk) 20:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

While pow wows do have a spiritual nature to them, the dances themselves aren't religious in the same sense as Ghost dance and Sun dance. Would it be better instead of "Pow wow/Social" to have it as "Competition (pow wow)?" The reason I subdivided is if someone wanted to look through modern pow wow styles, it would be clear which articles that would apply to instead of having to go to every article to find what they are looking for. Deflagro (talk) 20:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I think you are on the right track to play down the degrees of spirituality. I'm not Native, but I want to err on the side of respect. Maybe "Powwow competition" or "Modern Powwow dances", and maybe for the rest, some other term or terms that indicates historical/cultural position, not spiritual importance -- considering that the sun dance is, I think, still performed, while the ghost dance (I think) is a thing of the past, that would be tricky, but maybe some way to make a category for historically significant dances (except they all are that too...). Keep bouncing around ideas, maybe post to the WP or ping Uyvsdi, who is pretty good about the nuances of these things. Montanabw^(talk) 22:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Dividing ceremonial and religious doesn't make any sense at all. You could try intertribal and tribally-specific, or divide by region. Regarding powwows, not all powwows are competitive. –Uyvsdi (talk) 23:10, 11 February 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Thanks! I don't really know much about other dances besides the modern pow wow styles so I wasn't sure if those should all go in one section or two. I just put every dance that was in the category into the template. Do you think the name should be kept "Pow wow/Social" or should it be renamed too? Deflagro (talk) 23:15, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Gourd dance could listen under the powwow or not. Hard call. So what does this template achieve that the Category:Native American dances doesn't?

All the dance articles started to get lengthy "See Also" sections that linked to the other articles. A Navbox for the category is just a cleaner, concise way to navigate all of them. Deflagro (talk) 23:26, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I favor a navbox for that reason. My humble opinion, however, is that it really doesn't need subcategories at all. See, for example, Template:Iberian_horses, a model where we could put the overview articles (powwow, Native American music, etc.) in one section and the details in another. Or even a "dogpile" like Template:Equus could be anther example. Montanabw^(talk) 23:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

A section could be added to Round dance on Native American round dances and 49s. -Uyvsdi (talk) 23:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Cleanup

Right now someone who writes about dance styles (like Lindy Hop) is wanting to rename ceremonial dances. I think we need to revisit the categorization issue to make some distinction between performance styles and sacred ceremonies like Sun Dance. I can take a run at it, but would appreciate input. As discussed above, some of these, like Jingle dance could go in more than one category. - CorbieV^☊☼ 19:08, 27 June 2015 (UTC) Maybe we should just remove ceremonies from the template? - CorbieV^☊☼ 19:09, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

I'd suggest creating a section on primarily sacred dances; in this case, some folks view all powwow dancing as "ceremonial." And, to some extent, the are ceremonial elements, even if there is also competition and prize money. Montanabw^(talk) 23:40, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Why was this moved?

from Template:Native American dances to Template:American Indian dances

??? - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 22:12, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Hyacinth: I know you mean well, but "American Indian" is not "the preferred term". The preferred term is everyone's individual Nations. Pan-Indian terms vary by generation and region. "Native" or simply "Indian" are more accepted than anything with "American" in them, but nothing is universally accepted. Don't move these things without consensus, OK. I've moved it back so people don't have to do cleanup, and because you shouldn't have moved it in the first place. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 22:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

"You shouldn't have," isn't the most convincing reason. If there is no preferred term why do you prefer "Native American"? Hyacinth (talk) 22:21, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

More people prefer it, and it's more recent, than "American Indian". The latter is regressive. Re-read what I said. You have no consensus for a move. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 22:48, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. Hyacinth (talk) 17:50, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Why is this titled "Native American dances"

??? Hyacinth (talk) 01:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Presumably the template should be renamed "Template:Native American Tribe/Nation dances" or "Template:Native American Tribes'/National dances", since, "The preferred term is everyone's individual Nations." Hyacinth (talk) 04:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)