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Dick Gordon (sports writer)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know, unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle}

• ... Daily Princetonian sportswriter Dick "Scoop" Gordon got his nickname for first reporting golfer Bobby Jones's retirement in 1930, then filed his last story as a Minnesota sportswriter in 2008?

• Reviewed: The article that the nominator has reviewed ([1])
• Comment: Article sourced and expanded after being nominated for deletion

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk), Gordgus (talk). Nominated by BusterD (talk) at 15:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:
Hook

• Length, format, content rules: Couple suggestions here. First, the newspaper could use italics. Second, the double "sportswriter"s are a bit redundant; perhaps the end could be changed to "then filed his last story in Minnesota in 2008?" Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Done: Alt hook below corrects all these issues. BusterD (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
• Source: The Bobby Jones part has adequate citation, but the 2008 part isn't cited in the body. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Done: Hook is now cited three times in the introduction. All three mention his last report being filed in 2008. BusterD (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
• Interest: Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
• Image suitability, if applicable: N/A. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
• ALT hooks, if proposed: ... sportswriter Dick "Scoop" Gordon earned his nickname at The Daily Princetonian for first reporting golfer Bobby Jones's retirement in 1930, then filed his last sports story for the Villager in 2008?

Article

• Length: Article has been expanded from 702 characters to 3,291 since the 19th. Needs another 219 characters for 5x expansion. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Done: Expanded past 3700 now and plan to continue expansion for a short time. BusterD (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
• Vintage: Expansion has occured within last five days. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
• Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): Some uncited content at the end of Post-war career. I'd suggest adding a cite to ref 4 at the end of the section, which would also make the hook fully cited (it isn't cited that he worked for the Villager in 2008, just that he worked). Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
• Neutrality: The bit about him being "popular among fans" isn't sourced by anything, which it should be. That's the only thing even slightly non-neutral that I see. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
• Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: See below. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
• Copyvio: Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
• Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: Cleaned up a few things; should be all right for DYK. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Comments/discussion: The article is currently at AFD. That will need to be resolved before this can be approved. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Awaiting that disposition. BusterD (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
  • • Closed as keep. BusterD (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Found the following things in my close paraphrasing check: first, "where he was the first in the country to report the famous decision by Bobby Jones to retire from competitive golf in 1930" in the source, and "being the first reporter in the United States to report the decision by professional golfer Bobby Jones to retire from the sport in 1930" in the article (and the phrase "competitive golf" shows up in the lead).
    • Would feel better if that "competitive golf" was modified in the lead (since that phrasing matches that in the source), but this is improved. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
      • Done. BusterD (talk) 22:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "Dick and his wife Adelaide (who died in 2007) were married for 61 years" in the source, and "Gordon and his wife, Adelaide, were married for 61 years before she died in 2007" in the article. Not the easiest thing to re-word, but still a little close.
    • Does one of the sources give the wedding year? I don't remember them doing so. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
      • Done. You got me there. That's "original math". Sorry. Fixed it anyway, by citation. Plus I was wrong, so good catch. Figured if the Star Tribune had an obit on him, they'd have one on her. Good guess. BusterD (talk) 22:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "A correspondent for SPORTS ILLUSTRATED since its early days in the mid-1950s" in the source, and "a correspondent for Sports Illustrated magazine from its earliest days in the mid-1950s". Wording and structure are close.
  • While I'm here, I'm getting only 3,498 characters with the DYK check tool; that would leave this a smidgen short. But the things above are more important, since that is what has caused the recent criticism of DYK as a whole. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Expansion is now at 5x. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks! Added another sentence about Adelaide, so we're even farther over that hurdle. BusterD (talk) 22:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
        • Made a few fixes myself to resolve the remaining issues. The alt hook is now good to go. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 15:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)