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Mongols
edit@Modun: Mongols are not listed as Buryats or Kalmyks (with the exception of Oirats, who appear to be erroneously listed as a subgroup of Kalmyks) in the Russian census. They are listed separately. Mongolic and Mongol do not mean the same thing. Evidence of this can be found in this spreadsheet from the Russian government detailing the ethnic composition of the population (with the exception of “those who indicated other answers about national (ethnic) affiliation”, the composition of whom is detailed in another spreadsheet). If there are no objections, I will readd Mongols to the sheet. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 08:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- If I understand correctly, then in the enumeration the Mongols were meant in the broadest sense. That is, the Mongolian peoples (to which the Buryats and Kalmyks belong). As for the census, according to the enumeration, Mongols mean Khalkha Mongols (that is, specifically Mongols from independent Mongolia). In any case, they do not belong to the titular or indigenous peoples and there are about 1000 of them.
- P.S. I would not advise taking the latest Russian population census seriously. It's not entirely correct. 16.5 million citizens allegedly did not indicate their ethnicity at all! Modun (talk) 09:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Modun: I get what you're saying, but the entries for Buryats and Kalmyks are not listed as subgroups of Mongols. The Russian Census indents entries for groups officially considered to be subgroups of the unindented group above them but are enumerated separately as well, but Buryats and Kalmyks are not enumerated in this way. They are enumerated separately. As for your claim that the latest Russian population census is inaccurate, are there any sources for this claim? And what do you mean by "16.5 million citizens allegedly did not indicate their ethnicity at all"? Do you mean that those people didn't indicate their ethnicity and the Russian government decided to guess what their ethnicity is? I'm a bit confused by that. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 02:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- Okay I read the article again, and apparently around 42% of the population was not enumerated. Wow, that is abysmal. But is there any reason to believe that the statistics regarding the part of the population that was enumerated are inaccurate? ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 02:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- I have no idea, most likely yes. You see, population censuses are carried out to remove or clarify certain questions regarding demography, and to adjust their social policy. And this census left more questions than it removed. For me, at least the questions regarding knowledge of languages are interesting, but nothing more. Modun (talk) 03:28, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- Okay I read the article again, and apparently around 42% of the population was not enumerated. Wow, that is abysmal. But is there any reason to believe that the statistics regarding the part of the population that was enumerated are inaccurate? ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 02:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Modun: I get what you're saying, but the entries for Buryats and Kalmyks are not listed as subgroups of Mongols. The Russian Census indents entries for groups officially considered to be subgroups of the unindented group above them but are enumerated separately as well, but Buryats and Kalmyks are not enumerated in this way. They are enumerated separately. As for your claim that the latest Russian population census is inaccurate, are there any sources for this claim? And what do you mean by "16.5 million citizens allegedly did not indicate their ethnicity at all"? Do you mean that those people didn't indicate their ethnicity and the Russian government decided to guess what their ethnicity is? I'm a bit confused by that. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 02:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)