Template talk:German National Library portal
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Optional parameter pure_url
editThe {{allmusic}} template features a parameter |pure_url= that reduces the template output to just that, a url. That way it can be embedded in {{cite web}} to produce a formatted citation. Since DNB portal is also not uncommon as a source for literary and other works in biographical articles I suggest we add this function here too. A possible result of an embedded template could look like
- Literature by and about Peter Abrahams (in German). German National Library catalogue. German National Library. Received 12 May 2012.
The idea for this addition resulted from a discussion with Kolja21 at the German Wikipedia since he and also Aschmidt dispute the use of the default "DNB portal" template as a reference or source. Unfortunately I've not read any convincing arguments so far why it should not be used as a reference but a main concern seemed to be that there is no access date presented by the default DNB template. So instead of only adding a date parameter to DNB we could as well make the template fit into the widely used citation matrices. De728631 (talk) 17:41, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
External links to library resources: RfC
editA Request for Comment on external links to library resources, which may impact this template, has started: Wikipedia talk:External links#RfC: External links to library resources. Opinions, knowledge, and suggestions are sought. Please join in. SilkTork (talk) 10:25, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Duplication
editWhy is this template needed? Doesn't {{Authority control}} already provide a link to the German National Library? Using this template only clutters "External links". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 23:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- It's to streamline the transfer of information when translating from de.wiki. But if you can find a foolproof alternative, go ahead. As long as it works... Bermicourt (talk) 20:31, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- Why is a foolprof alternative needed when {{Authority control}} provides the same link? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, so I clearly didn't explain myself well. When importing articles from German Wikipedia they come across with the template {{DNB-Portal}} which redirects here and automatically provides the right links. There are dozens of other templates like that, many of which are automatically substituted by English Wiki templates. That means translators can concentrate on the difficult business of translating the text and not wasting time manually converting templates, a job that should be automated. It doesn't really matter whether a German Wiki template is mirrored (as here) or substituted (as elsewhere). So what I am saying is, go ahead and change it to a subst template if you know how to do that - I don't - but please don't delete it or you are just making nugatory work for other editors - translators in this case. Bermicourt (talk) 08:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Written communication can sometimes be difficult; I didn't explain my concern well, either. Take 2: Why shouldn't this template be removed from articles that have the template {{Authority control}} which includes a link to the German Nation Library? I expect this situation for close to 100% of all the template's uses. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Well I agree we certainly shouldn't have duplicate links in articles. So articles that have {{DNB-Portal}} and {{Authority control}} should have the former deleted provided the latter has picked up the link. Bermicourt (talk) 15:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Written communication can sometimes be difficult; I didn't explain my concern well, either. Take 2: Why shouldn't this template be removed from articles that have the template {{Authority control}} which includes a link to the German Nation Library? I expect this situation for close to 100% of all the template's uses. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, so I clearly didn't explain myself well. When importing articles from German Wikipedia they come across with the template {{DNB-Portal}} which redirects here and automatically provides the right links. There are dozens of other templates like that, many of which are automatically substituted by English Wiki templates. That means translators can concentrate on the difficult business of translating the text and not wasting time manually converting templates, a job that should be automated. It doesn't really matter whether a German Wiki template is mirrored (as here) or substituted (as elsewhere). So what I am saying is, go ahead and change it to a subst template if you know how to do that - I don't - but please don't delete it or you are just making nugatory work for other editors - translators in this case. Bermicourt (talk) 08:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Why is a foolprof alternative needed when {{Authority control}} provides the same link? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)