Template talk:Historical Dictionary of Switzerland

Cross-reference E-lir

Should a link to e-lir.ch be included here? Their ids appear to be different from the hds ones, content is similar. -- User:Docu

I suppose one could add an extra optional parameter. However, I doubt that the Rumantsch articles are of great additional value to readers of an English language encyclopedia, if they can already access the German, French and Italian versions of the same content. Sandstein 06:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

In the case of Calonder, the Romansh version has the advantage of an extended bibliography. -- User:Docu

All right, then I have no objection. Sandstein (talk) 08:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I added a line and converted a few links to the template. How do you like it? Should the author be repeated? -- User:Docu

I propose we keep it all on one line, so as not to disrupt the display of the reference if it is used in a footnote, or inline in a talk page comment etc. Also, I don't think the LIR needs a separate link as long as it has no article of its own. What about just adding "... in Romansh, ..." at the start of the list of languages? (I'm not very good at templates, so I won't try it immediately.) Sandstein (talk) 11:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. {{#if: {{{rm|}}}|[http://www.e-lir.ch/e-LIR___Lexicon.{{{rm}}}.450.0.html in Romansh], }} might do it. -- User:Docu

Thanks. Implemented and tested at Felix Calonder. I'll update the docs too. Sandstein (talk) 12:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks for updating and documenting. Should we add some coding to omit D/F/I if there is an article only in Romansh (e.g. Rom River). -- User:Docu

Yes, if this does not make the template too unwieldy. A dedicated template or a hardcoded link may be more appropriate for those (I suppose) few cases. Sandstein (talk) 14:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I updated it for Rom River. -- User:Docu

Use of this template in cites

I'm concerned about the widespread use of this template in cites. Cites are supposed to indicate where the editor got the information being cited, and the trouble is that this template says they got it from three places (the French, German and Italian versions of the dictionary). Which is fine if the editor has actually visited all three versions, translated all three to English, and then correlated the results.

But my guess is that they typically only visit one of the versions. Which is also fine, but by then using this template they fail to indicate which version it was. Either the template needs enhancing so as to indicate which of the links it offers were actually checked, and which are merely offered as helpful suggestions to readers, or we should stop using it in cites. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Is this relevant? Two of the versions are direct translations of the original version (normally German or French). They are not supposed to vary in content.  Sandstein  12:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

The act of translation inevitably introduces variation in content, either accidentally because translators are not infallable, or deliberately because some nuances simply don't translate well. Even if the translation from (eg) Italian to German is perfect, very often the translation by WP editors to English isn't, and in trying to sort that out it is useful to know if they were working from the (in this case) Italian original or the German intermediate translation. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 14:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't see this as a practical problem. Any differences in meaning between translations are likely to be negligible compared to the differences inevitably introduced by ourselves when we summarize and synthesize material from sources as part of the Wikipedia editorial process. At least unless you find a case where this has been a practical issue, I don't see any need for action.  Sandstein  15:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

New URL for HDS

The HDS will soon change its URL format after the move to XWiki. The new site is already in beta version.
The current URL format is :

• site adress : 'www.hls-dhs-dss.ch/textes/'
• language : d,f,i + '/'
• langage in uppercase + article number + '.php'

Example : http://www.hls-dhs-dss.ch/textes/d/D48016.php

The new URL format is :

• site adress (without www) : 'hls-dhs-dss.ch/'
• language (2 letters) : de, fr, it + '/articles/'
• article number padded on 6 digits
• optionaly version date (YYYY-MM-DD)

Example (not yet online) : https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/048016/2019-04-03/
Old URLs will be redirected to new one but the template must be changed.
Pmau (talk) 09:44, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

This is now live. The Romansh version can now be linked to easily by using "rm" as the language code. Here's my untested draft for an updated version of the third "paragraph" of template code:

}}''{{{2|{{PAGENAME}}}}}'' in [https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/{{padleft:{{{1}}}|6|0}}/{{{date|}}} <span title="{{{2|{{PAGENAME}}}}} in German">German</span>], [https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/fr/articles/{{padleft:{{{1}}}|6|0}}/{{{date|}}} <span title="{{{2|{{PAGENAME}}}}} in French">French</span>], [https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/it/articles/{{padleft:{{{1}}}|6|0}}/{{{date|}}} <span title="{{{2|{{PAGENAME}}}}} in Italian">Italian</span>], and [https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/rm/articles/{{padleft:{{{1}}}|6|0}}/{{{date|}}} <span title="{{{2|{{PAGENAME}}}}} in Romansh">Romansh</span>] in the online ''[[Historical Dictionary of Switzerland]]''}}{{#if: {{{date|}}}|, {{{date}}} }}.<includeonly><!-- tracking categories to compare with Wikidata

Solomon Ucko (talk) 17:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)