Template talk:House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (UK) sidebar
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TfD nomination of Template:House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
editTemplate:House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Eixo 13:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Grandchildren
editShould the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria also be included on this template. They are all British Royals and belonged to this royal house, even tho their mum did not. Astrotrain 19:05, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
Looks like the above has been done. --Wesley Biggs 13:21, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
But it is only the grandchildren through the sons. I will change the template to so that these are only the agnatic grandchildren. --StanZegel 20:06, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
- Not so- Princesses Alexandra and Maud of Fife are granddaughters of Edward VII through their mother. Astrotrain 20:47, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
- Where, then, is Wilhelm II of Germany? He is the son of a daughter of Queen Victoria. Don't we need to either note that only agnatic grandchildren are listed (and delete few stray non-agnatics), or we need to list all of them (including Kaiser Wilhelm, Queen Victoria Eugenie of Spain, etc. --StanZegel 01:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- I've removed Alexandra and Maud because they're not part of the House of S-C-G. I believe on all the dynasty templates, Grandchildren doesn't mean all the grandchild of the header monarch, just the agnatic grandchildren of the monarch in that particular House. It'd be quite pointless putting Agnatic in front though, because that's all they can be to belong to the respective Houses. Craigy
(talk) 01:55, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
- I think they should be put back. They are a special case since they gained their royal titles in spite of being in the female line, and they are clearly British Royality under the House of SCB. Astrotrain 18:57, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
- I've removed Alexandra and Maud because they're not part of the House of S-C-G. I believe on all the dynasty templates, Grandchildren doesn't mean all the grandchild of the header monarch, just the agnatic grandchildren of the monarch in that particular House. It'd be quite pointless putting Agnatic in front though, because that's all they can be to belong to the respective Houses. Craigy
- I think the usual, general, casual reader will assume that when he sees a list in an encylopedia that it is authoritative and complete. He is not going to be aware of the "rules" of who is a member or not of a House. By putting the adjective Agnatic on the grandchildren heading, he is alerted that there is something special about the listing. He can look up the term and thus then realize that the listing is not exhaustive, and why. Otherwise, won't he question why Kaiser Wilhelm II (routinely noted as a grandson of QVictoria) is not listed? Will he doubt the accuracy of the Wikipedia? I know I would, and I'm a specialist compared to him. I think that the reader deserves some notice that the list is not ALL of the grandchildren, although the present heading implies that it is. --StanZegel 04:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC) I notice that the Hanover template lists ALL of the grandchildren, so that is another argument for doing the same here. --StanZegel 06:31, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- The template clearly states British Royality- House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha so why would anyone expect the German Kaiser to be counted as British Royality. As for the Hanover template, the reason all grandchildren are listed is because none of GIII's daughters had children. Astrotrain 18:57, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
- Lest this become a candidate for Lamest Edit Wars, my final entry in this dialogue is to refer to my logical stance above: either list all the grandchildren, or use a qualifying adjective to indicate that you are not. --StanZegel 20:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- Why are Alexandra and Maud listed, but not George V's children? Weren't they considered, at least, dynasts of SCG? Morhange 22:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Lest this become a candidate for Lamest Edit Wars, my final entry in this dialogue is to refer to my logical stance above: either list all the grandchildren, or use a qualifying adjective to indicate that you are not. --StanZegel 20:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Here is the List of Grandchildren of Edward VII
- Alastair Duff, Marquess of Macduff (16/06/1890)
- Alexandra, Duchess of Fife (17/05/1891)
- Maud of Fife (03/04/1893)
- Edward VIII (23/06/1894)
- George VI (14/12/1895)
- Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood (25/04/1897)
- Henry, Duke of Gloucester (31/03/1900)
- George, Duke of Kent (20/12/1902)
- Olav V of Norway (02/07/1903)
- Prince John (12/07/1905) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.200.91 (talk • contribs)
- Macduff and Olav V do not belong in this template whatsoever. It is intended to include only Princes and Princesses of the United Kingdom. Really, Alexandra and Maud of Fife should not be in this template either, but at least they were princesses. Charles 10:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
He's not showing up on the list, even though I have him added there. Morhange 20:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- That's because, due to the variable status of the template, it needs adding to other parts too. Don't worry, I'll do it – DBD 20:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
RfC notification
editA request for comments which may impact this template has been started at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies#RfC on style in royal family templates. You are welcome to comment there. Fram (talk) 14:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)