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bad fonts

The fonts used for this model are bad ɩ (Latin iota) and ɪ (small capital i) are not different, they both look like ı (dotless i), at least when Arial is being displayed. --Moyogo/ (talk) As far as I can tell it's only broken on Firefox and Chrome on Mac, Safari and Opera are fine. Firefox, Chrome and IE are fine on Windows. On Linux it’s fine too. --Moyogo/ (talk)

Then it's a Mac problem; this template only targets Windows. — Edokter (talk) — 08:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Would it be possible to have this template target other platforms, including Mac? --Moyogo/ (talk) 14:36, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki guide

I added Interwiki guide. I did so by creating a template that used all documented sub templates in IPA. The plan was that interwiki users could use a wiki's import page function with the include templates and download all. This was intended as a first step in this direction and worked well for the wiki I used. I had already imported some other IPA templates so there may be a foundation required before all the language specific templates become relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iowajason (talk • contribs) 02:43, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Force proper tone contours on OS X

Discussion here. — Lfdder (talk) 22:26, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Default font

The computer I usually use is Windows 7, and uses Arial 5.0 both as its default Wikipedia font and as its default IPA font. Another computer I often use is XP. I installed Arial 5.0 on it, but it still uses Lucida Sans Unicode as default IPA font. Does anyone know how to fix this? Arial looks a lot better for IPA. _{(suoı̣ʇnqı̣ɹʇuoɔ · ʞlɐʇ)} nɯnuı̣ɥԀ 05:04, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Put this in you custom stylesheet:

   .IPA {font-family: Arial !important}

— Lfdder (talk) 10:54, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Not being experienced with stylesheets, I don't know how to access my custom stylesheet. _{(suoı̣ʇnqı̣ɹʇuoɔ · ʞlɐʇ)} nɯnuı̣ɥԀ 20:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Special:MyPage/common.css — Lfdder (talk) 20:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! _{(suoı̣ʇnqı̣ɹʇuoɔ · ʞlɐʇ)} nɯnuı̣ɥԀ 20:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Linking to sound file description instead of file?

The "listen" link, links directly to the actual file. This is problematic I think for two reasons:

1. No license information is observable, which is a copyright violation for any sound files that have a Creative Commons license.
2. In Google Chrome, FLAC files have difficulty in playback when linked to directly. I couldn't get any playback. In Firefox instalment of the VLC extention was required.

--1Veertje (talk) 11:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Need to update?

Neither  (formatted) nor  (unformatted) display for a user on Chrome with the SIL fonts installed. Does this template, or maybe class=IPA, need to be updated? — kwami (talk) 20:05, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I doubt they will show in any font; codepoint U+F211 is part of the private use range. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 20:44, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

It happens for me both in Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer, both when using Windows 8 and Windows 7. Chrome gives white blocks with a border, whereas Firefox gives a block with the text F2 11 in two rows and Internet Explorer white blocks without a border, regardless of the version of Windows. --JorisvS (talk) 20:50, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it's my CSS, then. — kwami (talk) 22:02, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

The point is, characters in the private use range have no glyphs. Those code points are reserved for special-purpose fonts. One example of such use are the WikiFont glyphs. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 21:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

They will show in SIL fonts, which used to be selected by this template. — kwami (talk) 22:02, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

1. Former  at U+F211 of SIL’s PUA encoding is deprecated and has been replaced by U+024B LATIN SMALL LETTER Q WITH HOOK TAIL.

2. I know what the formatted character  is supposed to represent because I see its Charis SIL v. 5.000 glyph on my Firefox, though the plain text character looks as described by JorisvS. This is due to a Stylish script I use, which contains the following line (in CSS syntax):

• .IPA { font-family: "Charis SIL", "Noto Serif", "Gentium Plus" !important; font-size: 111% !important; }.

Thank y’all for this template which enables me to see what I am expected to see. LiliCharlie (talk) 22:17, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Android

Naked Browser displaying German phonology § Consonants.

It seems like the IPA class should also target Android WebKit browsers, since by default they they use a font that's quite broken for IPA usage. In particular the glyph for Greek chi is indistinguishable from Latin x. Working around it with user CSS is impossible because the mobile stylesheet ignores it. Hairy Dude (talk) 14:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I say specifically WebKit browsers, because Chrome and Naked Browser suffer from this problem while Firefox doesn't. Hairy Dude (talk) 14:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

We could target Android, but then there's the question of what font to use. Is it is, Android only comes with the default Droid or Roboto font families. That is all we have to work with; if they don't work, we're simply out of luck. Firefox probably installs some additional fonts. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 17:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I've done a bit of research into glyphs for chi, and as far as I can tell no other font has a decender-less glyph. I'm convinced it's incorrect and a bug in Roboto. So I filed a bug: Android issue 160613 (Note I "officially" have no opinion on whether it's correct for Greek since I don't know the language. But I do think it's wrong.) Hairy Dude (talk) 03:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

wrong sound file in doc

§ Foreign words of the documentation uses French [o] as the base for examples. Two of the examples include a sound file:

Using the French word eau [o] as an example, we have the default format:

...

• Any of these may be combined with a sound file:
  • {{IPA|fr|o|lang|Fr-eau.ogg}} → French: [o]
• For the default introductory phrase, however, a placeholder such as “-” is required:
  • {{IPA|fr|o|-|Fr-eau.ogg}} → French pronunciation: [o]

But the sound file, File:Fr-eau.ogg, is not just an example of the phone [o] or the French phoneme /o/, but the phrase de l'eau. The file is from The Shtooka Project, which is (bolding added) "a project for creating a multilingual database of words' pronunciations"— not phones or phonemes. And as the description of the file says, it is

Pronunciation of "eau" (de l'eau) in French. Male voice. Speaker from Paris region, France.

Which isn't [o], but French /dəlo/. That's a common way of citing French words for students of French, but it certainly isn't appropriate for IPA. Can't we do better?

Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 17:58, 25 April 2016 (UTC)