Template talk:Iglesia ni Cristo

Hi john carter,

I'm a little iffy about the template and I hope you can explain. Shouldn't it contain subject matter that support the Iglesia ni Cristo, as in the Roman Catholic template? The reason I didn't put the original template to the page was because there wasn't much information. As it is now, most of the information you added do not even pertain to the Iglesia ni Cristo. Conrad940 (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I read the main article and basically added only those articles which do directly relate to the Iglesia ni Cristo. If you want an item by item justification,

• New Era University is "affiliated" with the church
• Christian Era Broadcasting Service is owned by the church
• Ang Tamang Daan is produced by the church
• Alagad is the church's party-list
• Christianity is the "base" article for the church
• Catholicism - the church claims to be the "correct" continuer of the "catholic" tradition, and is the church the iglesia sprang up from, so far as I understand
• Persecution of Christians is a weak one, but is one of the Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo
• Restorationism - the Iglesia ni Cristo is "restoring" the original church
• Nontrinitarianism is one of the church's beliefs
• the three "person" pages provide "background" on the three entities
• Unitarianism - the iglesia is unitarian
• Sola scriptura - not the phrase used in the Fundamental Beliefs, but an idea it holds with as per the FB
• Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo - I'm guessing that's obvious
• One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church - which the iglesia claims to be
• Great Apostasy - which it says the RCC went through, though not necessarily in those words
• Justification - The FB article lists disbelief in justification by faith alone, which is part of justification
• Biblical canon - well, the Bible is pretty basic to the iglesia.

The articles need not be necessarily "directly related" to the iglesia, but contain information which is relevant to understanding the iglesia.

You are, of course, free to add or subtract any items you wish from the template. However, a large template like that one makes it a bit easier for people to go from one article to another, and will help indicate which articles are "relevant", if not directly related to, the subject. All those articles included are going to be of "Top" importance to the Iglesia group, as they are placed on the group's primary linking template.

I hope that answers your questions. But, like I said, feel free to make any additions or removals you like. John Carter (talk) 17:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conrad940 (talk • contribs)

I've removed a few things, namely

• Catholicism - the church claims to be the correct, yes, but it did not come out of the RCC
• Persecution of Christians is a weak one, but is one of the Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo
• Sola scriptura - ndoes not believe in Sola Scriptura
• One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church - this is the RCC
• Great Apostasy - which it says the RCC went through, though not necessarily in those words
• Justification - against faith alone concept
• Biblical canon - belong to RCC. canon itself is RCC term

Conrad940 (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

February 2015

I updated the wikilink to "True Church" from religious exclusivism to One true church since it's the actual article the text is piped to, and that article talks about the INC while the other doesn't. Also I think since FYM is already in the navigation, it shouldn't belong in the above section. I noticed that my edits have been reversed by 49.150.87.188 (talk · contribs) who also points out that Tithing is not practiced by the INC. I have no problem with that. But if there's a problem with the above edits, I would like to know so we can build a Consensus going forward. --w^{L<speak·check>} 22:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC) (updated 07:37, 6 February 2015 (UTC))

• Tithing is a biblical practice that is observed in the sect.
• Felix Y. Manalo is a very important figure in the sect and removing it would offend members of the sect.
• True church is part of their doctrine in which the proper wikilink should be religious exclusivism because outside of Manalo's church their is no salvation, according to Manalo. The one true church article considers apostolic succession which is absent in the sect of Manalo.

Thank you --49.150.87.188 (talk) 13:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

When it comes to Wikipedia, we know that someone will likely be offended, but we have a policy to hold a neutral point of view in all our articles, and having FYM under the title is giving him undue weight against his decedents. I'm afraid I'll have to take that off. I noticed you blanked the INC section at One True Church, that's frowned upon here. While reading the intro, I think they meant by "others" is by "some (but not all) others". But that's to decide on that article's talk page. --w^{L<speak·check>} 06:42, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

undue weight has nothing to do with Manalo's death. I didn't blank that section but it doesn't deserve a spot comparing with major branches of Christianity, including Mormonism. --49.150.87.188 (talk) 17:24, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

It's pretty much a consensus that Tithing doesn't belong in the template at all. As far as apostolic succession goes, I fixed their wording to mean "some others", as not all Christian religions follow it, but One true church means "one true church". There's also a proposition to merge both articles that you may want to contribute to at Talk:One true church. --10:34, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

There is no tithing in the church from what official sources we can gather. On the contrary they've been pretty consistent in saying contributions have no set amount. The most recent was in an interview by Wall Street Journal:

http://www.wsj.com/video/were-not-a-cult-says-100-year-philippine-church/637CBE68-6C2E-413E-83D1-5B7E926E0B29.html

Claims of tithing tend to come from unreliable sources, such as purportedly "anonymous" insiders and people with a vested interest in spreading misinformation. We don't usually rely on fired employees to portray their former employer in a neutral light, so shouldn't that same standard hold for people excommunicated from their religion?

So far there hasn't been any video, any sound recording, or even any official document showing the practice of tithing exists in the organization.

12:40, February 9, 2015 (PST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.19.80.139 (talk)

So far there hasn't been any video, any sound recording, or even any official document showing against the practice of tithing exists in the organization. --49.150.87.188 (talk) 17:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism issues

1. Why is the subheading of this template "Felix Manalo" and not "Church of Christ"?
   • I can only assume it has to do with what's written in the prior section. When people think INC, they think Manalo. In the end, the subheading is there to translate what "Iglesia ni Cristo" means in English, since this is an English encyclopedia and some people don't know a single word of Tagalog. --w^{L<speak·check>} 07:42, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
2. There is nothing about Iglesia ni Cristo in the article on "Shunning". If we expect to use this template as a navigation aid to relevant articles, what is the relevance of "shunning" to Iglesia ni Cristo if it is not supported by the article or WP:RS? Elizium23 (talk) 20:17, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
   • Agree --w^{L<speak·check>} 07:42, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored and there is no reason it change it in a non neutral way. These edits are disruptive and the template is restricted as a result. --w^{L<speak·check>} 23:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC) PS. Manalo is already on the template. w^{L<speak·check>} 23:27, 18 October 2015 (UTC)