Template talk:Infobox Cyrillic letter

E-grave and I-grave

For some reason my browser does not display two letters - E_grave and I_grave. I wonder why only those two letters. Also I am just curious which Slavic languages use them. --rydel 13:05, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think the default Windows installation is missing fonts that contain these characters. I have a Mac; does someone know better? The template specifies Lucida Grande, Arial Unicode MS and Lucida Sans Unicode fonts which should work. I think at least one of those gets installed with MS Office.

Download Code 2000 font. It's free, and includes characters a huge number of languages. Other good I18N font pointers are at Wood's site.

Which languages? Good question. If I can't find a reference, I'll remove these from the navbox.

—Michael Z. 13:54, 2004 Nov 15 (UTC)

Added these letters back because they already have their articles.--Octra Bond 08:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the only reason that e-grave and i-grave have their own articles is that they were directly included in Unicode. There is no essential difference between these two and a-grave, o-grave and more than 30 other accented Cyrillic vowels used in Serbian, Church Slavonic, Russian (большáя часть = a large part, бóльшая часть = the largest part) etc. E-grave and i-grave are just the most frequent cases. -- Kcmamu 15:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Table formatting

I'm replacing class="toccolours" with inline styles. The combination of border-collapse plus padding, plus border made parts of the border disappear in Safari. I hope it still looks as intended in your browser. —Michael Z. 2005-02-1 17:44 Z

New additions

I came from Chinese wikipedia and I have added five alphabets, Әә, Өө, Үү, Һһ, Ӏ, in the navbox there. (See zh:Я) Would you like to add them into English wikipedia as well? Besides, I have uploaded Image:Cyrillic letter Schwa.png on Commons Wikipedia. Feel free to use.--Hello World! 06:38, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Placement of Gje and Kje in table

In the master image for this template, and in the Cyrillic alphabet article, and in the Macedonian alphabet article, Gje does not appear directly after Ge, and Kje does not appear directly after Ka. (In Macedonian, Gje is after De, and in the master Cyrillic list, it appears after Dje, which doesn't appear in Macedonian. For Kje, the preceding characters are Te and Tshe, respectively.) When I asked about this on the Talk:Macedonian_alphabet page, Bjankuloski06en responded with a note on my talk page confirming the order reported on the Macedonian and Cyrillic page, so I'm reporting the issue here. I'm hesitant to make the edit myself because a) I'm very much a newbie at Wikipedia markup, and b) I figured that altering a template, which will propagate across a wide variety of articles, is probably a reasonably major deal. In any case, if one of you who watches this item could either make the change (or reject it with an explanation as to why the table should remain inconsistent with the primary Cyrillic alphabet article) that would be much appreciated. Thanks! Rmharman 17:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Kildin Sami language

Shouldn't the missing letters of the Kildin Sami language (such as Ҍ nd Ӭ) be added to this template? --190.48.98.19 15:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

All letters were added by me.--Octra Bond 08:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

New characters from Unicode 5.1

There are some articles about letters that have been added in Unicode 5.1: Qa (Cyrillic), Lha (Cyrillic), El with Hook, Reversed Ze, Komi Nje, Ha with Hook, Ghe with Stroke and hook, Komi De. Also there are letters that have no articles about (you can see them in Cyrillic_characters_in_Unicode), but they are not represented in the Template. Shouldn't this letters be added into the Template? ОйЛ (OiL) (talk) 21:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Certainly many of the new characters should be added, and the table adjusted for the new recommendations in 5.1 (example, the usage of digraph and vertical uk). Red links are okay, since they will encourage new article creation. I would leave out the CS superscript letters, since they are formal variations of normal letters, and probably should be discussed in Early Cyrillic alphabet.

Note that to my knowledge there still isn't any font available which supports all of the new letters, nor are they fully supported in the Windows and Mac OS. (On the Mac they seem to display, but combining properties, etc. don't work.) I discourage changes which make anything worse in existing browsers and OS's. More info at wikt:Appendix:Old Cyrillic alphabet and wikt:Appendix talk:Old Cyrillic alphabet. —Michael Z. 2008-05-06 22:02 z

I am happy to have redlinks, but not characters that don't display. A template full of red question marks looks rather stupid. BalkanFever 00:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, at least until there is free font support for most of the characters in question.

FYI: I see question marks for absent characters in Firefox, and just blanks in Safari. Once Apple updates the OS for Unicode 5.1, I should see the Last Resort font placeholder characters instead. —Michael Z. 2008-05-07 01:17 z

Ah, OK. If you look in the template history you'll see all the code points were added, but I made a blanket revert. If you think we should include the one's that show up (links and redlinks) then by all means go ahead. :) BalkanFever 01:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that. I suppose if there is an article, we'd better be prepared to link to it from here.

I'd like to see some info about available fonts before too many of these get added (I can currently only see some of the letters in the articles linked above by ОйЛ). This information should be added somewhere convenient, and probably linked from the bottom of the template. —Michael Z. 2008-05-07 01:59 z

From this version, I can see everything above the "Mordvin letters" title, and everything below (including the Mordvin letter) is a question mark, whether it has an article or not. This is with Firefox and Vista. What about you? BalkanFever 02:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

The Cyrillic Extension-B A bloc have been already added in the last edition of Code2000 font. ОйЛ (OiL) (talk) 03:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I updated my Code2000 font before I had a look, and I see all of the letters. Those are in Cyrillic Extended-A; I don't know of any font that supports Cyrillic Extended-B yet.

I'd prefer not to see the layout of the box fragmented into so many little sections, and it doesn't make sense to have separate sections for some languages but not others. However, just a single non-Slavic section is getting a bit bloated. Is there a sensible way of dividing it by language families? —Michael Z. 2008-05-07 21:36 z

Cyrillic alphabet variants and Languages using Cyrillic might help. BalkanFever 09:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Uk diagraph

On the table, the diagraph of Uk is inserted as ОУ (U+041E U+0423) instead of the existing digraph in Unicode; Ѹ (U+0478). If the diagraph shouldn't be used, can it at least be changed to Оу (U+041E U+0443)?
Liggliluff (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Julien Cameron (talk) 00:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Deleted letters

When I first Went on this page, I saw the letters Schwa with Grave, Schwa with acute, Schwa with macron, Dotted I with macron, Dotted I with Macron and grave, Eh with curcumflex, And Shha with caron. For some reason, I don’t see them anymore. If someone can, Could you fix this? Also, I also see Geh with Breve in the Non-slavic AND The archaic section. Could you fix that too please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7C:515B:C100:F055:F88B:F036:C3EF (talk) 16:12, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Page protection

I've protected this page for a week due to edit warring in the history. Knock it off and start discussing what you think should change. Izno (talk) 07:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Needs to be added

There are several cyrillic letters that are not added in here. These include: Rounded ve, long legged de, Tall hard sign, tall yat, tall te, three legged te, narrow o, unblended uk, wide es, komi tje with tilde, Eh with circumflex, Ef with tilde and sha with attached right ring. Can you also fix Ghayn with descender, Ge with hook, Che with hook, and O with left notch? Thanks! 86.14.53.51 (talk) 14:21, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Remove lowercases

They aren’t needed, why even bother leave them in? Aoscf77 (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Í mistaced lowercase closed yus for δ with line. Thats why GabeNugget (talk) 10:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Not like the lowercase is any better though Aoscf77 (talk) 12:55, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

What abt

к with line looks like k with line GabeNugget (talk) 13:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Letters with stress mark

Hi, @Aoscf77. Regarding your revert,[1] I didn’t remove these letters because they have no article. I removed them because they are not distinct letters in any national alphabet. A with acute (Cyrillic) (А́), for example, is just an instance of Cyrillic A (А), conventionally marked with an acute accent (´) to indicate stress in a dictionary or reader. It’s the same reason we don’t list bold A or underlined A as a twenty-seventh and twenty-eighth letters of the English alphabet or give it a link in Template:Latin script: the format is something applied to letters without making them new letters.  —Michael Z. 02:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok, but then what about letters with a grave or circumflex? Aoscf77 (talk) 12:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Some of them seem to be of the same type, while others are used in some languages. I have submitted RFD’s at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yat with acute (an obsolete letter that’s the same as these) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ye with grave. Haven’t examined the circumflex ones yet.  —Michael Z. 17:27, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, if they don’t have an actual use in the Cyrillic Script, what about Cyrillic Iota or Neutral Yer? They’re used solely for transcriptions. Aoscf77 (talk) 14:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Those are two different cases, but they are specific letters. They are not the same kind of non-letters that I am going after.

The iota (Cyrillic) is used to transcribe a Glagolitic letter with no directly corresponding Cyrillic. Does it need an article? Dunno. A lot of articles have been created for Unicode code points representing aspects of letters but perhaps not letters in the alphabetical sense. IMO this is an expression of iota used in the context of transcribing Glagolitic, and doesn’t have enough material to warrant a standalone article.

The neutral yer is a Cyrillic letter used to capture uncertainty of yers (hard sign vs soft sign) in transcriptions. Does it need an article?  —Michael Z. 16:25, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh alright, also any updates on the letters with circumflex? They don’t even display properly in windows so I doubt they have any use in any alphabet Aoscf77 (talk) 01:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

And user:Matheito8902 has reverted[2] another removal of links to non-articles about non letters. Why?  —Michael Z. 21:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Add lowercases

People might be confused when the lowercases aren’t what they expect

eg. к with line looks like k with line GabeNugget (talk) 12:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Contraction of table

Look at þe title GabeNugget (talk) 14:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Letters for Polish Cyrillic

I am planning to add letters for Polish Cyrillic used during the Russian Empire[3]: о̂ (modern ó) and ю̂ (ió). However, I'm not sure what the diacritic atop х, to distinguish h from ch, should be. Maybe U+035B ◌͛ COMBINING ZIGZAG ABOVE? Refraining from adding for now until this gets confirmed. OosakaNoOusama (talk) 04:44, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@OosakaNoOusama I think it's a vertical tilde: х̾, but I'm not sure. It's definitely not the zigzag, which is a medieval scribal abbreviation used with consonants to represent an omitted "er" or "re" after (e.g. p͛ can be "per" or "pre"). Theknightwho (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit: apparently it is the vertical tilde, and we have an article on it: Kha with vertical tilde. Theknightwho (talk) 14:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2024

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Spilt Unused Slavic Letters & Unused Non Slavic Letters

Spilt it!! 2603:8000:6500:73B4:557A:836:C3BF:FA15 (talk) 14:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2024

There are 2 Er with Caron on the navbox,and both of them direct to the same page why are there 2 of them 86.98.181.137 (talk) 15:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Removed duplicate entry. PianoDan (talk) 16:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2024

Can you please add Iotified Blended Yus to the list of archaic letters? 2.49.60.209 (talk) 12:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Adding some letters.

there are letters i found,that are not in the navbox,such as Ge/He with comma Maxionetwo (talk) 07:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)