Izno

Main Page styles.css

Hi sorry to disturb you on your wikibreak. I just want to ask a question about styles.css file (sorry I'm still a learner). I'm an admin on niawp (the only one who knows how to edit the main page) and the community agreed that we simplify the Main Page maintenance by being as close as possible to enwp while keeping it appealing for the eyes of the target readers.

I already spring cleaned the niawp Main Page, but I see that you put the enwp styles.css file in the project namespace (Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css). How to do that? When I created such styles.css file in the project namespace, it's not recognised as css styles but as a normal page. Thank you. slaiatalk 11:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Either create it in template namespace and move it to the Project namespace, or use Special:ChangeContentModel to change the content model of the page to sanitized-css. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pppery This might be something to add to WP:TemplateStyles, since it's not the first time I've seen a question like this. Will need to note the special case for user space TemplateStyles, which requires some help from an int admin. Izno (talk) 21:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you a lot. slaiatalk 07:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Hi Izno, I wanted to thank you once more, this time publicly, for all of your contributions to the Arbitration Committee over the past two years. While we only directly overlapped for one of those years, I have seen, while getting up to speed, how much work you've put in as a whole in areas that are key to keeping committee business going but are invisible particularly to the community, which include anywhere from appeals to email management to documentation. Your presence on the committee will be sorely missed, and I hope that after a well-deserved break, you may consider coming back. :-) Maxim (talk) 13:29, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	in absolute awe at this mad lad answering all of my technical questions without telling me to go fsck myself even the couple times when i deserved it jp×g🗯️ 06:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Template:Article alerts box help

Hi, I know you've worked on Template:Article alerts box, but isn't the template supposed to show article alerts as a listing? I've checked the backlinks and it's just showing the line that they'll be generated shortly. I don't know how to fix this, could you help? --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Funandtrvl, not right now. Please ask at WP:VPT to see if assistance can be provided. Izno (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

New message from Jo-Jo Eumerus

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § Does anyone know how to change the RefToolbar so that it is compatible with sfn?. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 06:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Account as a sockpuppet of an IP

Hi there, this account (AyunaKawai) seems to be a sock of this IP 123.195.224.196 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Will this hold water on WP:SPI? I'm not entirely sure what the original sockmaster account is. John Yunshire (talk) 03:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

This IP seems to enforce his own peremptory to frame other IPs as sock puppets who have disagreements with his interested topics, which demonstrate in his frequent reversion in specific themed topics even the edits were in good faiths, reverted by him with no sensible explanation and abusing the reporting mechanism by framing opponents as sock puppets. AyunaKawai (talk) 03:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Abusive sock is back

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Observer1989. Thanks. Ratnahastin (talk) 04:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Reminding. Your help is still needed. Thanks Ratnahastin (talk) 03:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

You will need to find someone else to help you. Izno (talk) 03:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Wrapping fmbox

Hi, re this edit - why not add |class=mw-parser-output to the {{fmbox}}? This would eliminate the need for a wrapper div. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

It must be a wrapper div, because TemplateStyles CSS is .mw-parser-output .class-of-interest with only one kind of exception, which this case does not meet. Izno (talk) 18:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

OK. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a plan for Template:Memory types/styles.css?

Do you have a plan for {{Memory types/styles.css}}? I poked through the talk page and the template's history, but I did not find any mention of it or implementation of it. If it is not needed, you could put {{Db-g7}} on it (I think this works on CSS pages, but I'm not sure), or I could take it to TFD. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 [1] removed somewhere in the meantime. I have no issue G7ing it. Izno (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Just trying to keep Template space tidy. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Moosstore

Hi Izno, you closed this SPI earlier. Can you please merge this case to WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Lithuaniaball2? The days-of-the-year vandalism in Lithuanian is as WP:DUCKy as it gets to WP:LTA/LB2. Prodraxis _(talk) 17:54, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Prodraxis, I am not a clerk or a current CU, so I cannot. You will need to request it on WT:SPI. Izno (talk) 18:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

ARCA clarification

Hey,

Reaching out to you here as I'm cognisant of the word limits at ARCA. Are there specific diffs in the filing I made at AE that you think are out of scope of ARBATC, as it was written in 2017? It seems to me as though you're implying that the filing I made is partially out of scope, but I can't quite figure out why you think that? Sideswipe9th (talk) 04:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sideswipe9th, I slightly may have possibly not at all checked every diff for it being in scope exactly when I wrote the ARCA up. That said, the specific page being edited, and the specific dispute spawned at AN(I?) as a result, isn't in the set of AT/MOS pages, nor a change proposal for them living elsewhere, but instead an essay/information page living elsewhere about how MOS functions. (The original dispute's locus was on the talk pages of AT and MOS, which is why I think I have it in my head considered it to be scoped as such.) This is the quality that makes me less certain the diffs in the present filing are in scope for the 2017 wording. I am definitely more concerned about the 2023 filing either way. Izno (talk) 04:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

the specific dispute spawned at AN(I?) as a result, isn't in the set of AT/MOS pages There were two disputes at AN recently. The first was about the capitalisation of NFL draft article titles, and a rather contentious RfC. The second was about Wikipedia:Manual of Style extended FAQ. When selecting diffs, I deliberately excluded the former, as I felt that was out of scope per your clarification at Tamzin's AE report. The second though I did select diffs from, as I felt that was a discussion on the MOS and its content, as at the time it was linked to on MOS:FAQ having only been removed on 22 February after the AN discussion started. Sideswipe9th (talk) 04:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Indeed there have been two. I'm referencing the latter also, as the former I think clearly fits into the clarification of "page names of specific pages" in the 2017 wording as you also believe. I haven't said anything at the present AE largely because I think the 2017's broadly construed probably does reasonably include the MOSXFAQ despite my uncertainty. My parenthetical above was about the actual originating case in the early 2010s. Izno (talk) 04:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha, I think I understand where you're coming from now :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Unblocking of User:Friday musa

Hi @Izno. Hope this message finds you well. I write to you with respect to the Indefinite blockage set to User:Friday musa's account on the English Wikipedia. I am appealing not just on his behalf but on the behalf of the Tyap Wikimedians User Group to unblock his account as this posseses a big setback to our operations as an affiliate. Please review your stance on his account status and remove the indefinite block set on it. Thanks and warm regards, Kambai Akau (talk) 13:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Greetings again, @Izno. I am back again to ask for your permission to begin a thread asking for a review of Friday musa's account block at WP:XRV. If you don't think this is necessary, please help unblock his account. I am appealing to your understanding as the leader of my affiliate to please act swiftly to save my user group the troubles. We have invested so much effort in growing this young group and we must obtain financial support from the Foundation to drive our activities. The person blocked is an active participant and co-signatory to the account of our organization. This sudden block on his account is threatening the progress we have made thus far. I once again appeal to your understanding to do what is just and reasonable. Warm regards, Kambai Akau (talk) 23:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC).

@Kambai Akau, 1) We do not take third party appeals. It is only the person who is blocked's responsibility to appeal. 2) As such, Friday musa is not limited in the number of appeals he may make. This is what 331dot suggests when he says Please tell us in your own words, in a new request what Wikipedia's license is, what copyright is, and describe how to properly use copyrighted content on Wikipedia. in the decline of the previous appeal. You should encourage Friday musa to appeal again. I have already said my piece. 3) Whether your affiliate is in good or bad standing is not my concern. If they are to edit English Wikipedia, the users who have a membership in it must understand our policies and guidelines, whether or not they are a member of any other organization that does work in the Wikimedia movement.

As an FYI, you and others in the affiliate group should understand WP:Meatpuppetry and WP:Canvassing. They are guidelines to take care with when you are editing as part of a larger group. Izno (talk) 00:02, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Izno, I indeed understand your position. I will encourage him to do the necessary. We shall also do our best to better understand and educate our community on WP:Meatpuppetry and WP:Canvassing. Thanks for your time. Kambai Akau (talk) 09:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Concern about a new report

Hello Izno, I've come here after noticing something here. Could you please inform me who is managing the sockpuppet accounts here? Additionally, has the issue of sockpuppetry within group two been resolved? I was about to submit a report regarding a user involved, but I'm unsure about the identity of the sockpuppet manager in group one and whether the sockpuppetry in group two has been confirmed. Regards. Imperial^[AFCND] 19:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@ImperialAficionado I think you mean master, not manager. I do not really understand what you're asking or how I can best clarify what I already said at that SPI. What more do you want? Be very specific about your questions, particularly using specific names. Izno (talk) 19:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Alternatively, you can lay a brief summary of your new report and I can suggest where you should file that, since I think that is your primary question. Izno (talk) 19:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I meant the sockmaster. I noticed that the suspects were divided into two groups, but upon further investigation, I found some similarities between group one and group two. These similarities were evident in their editing patterns, as well as in some external cases. Would you mind if I share some external links here for reference? The external links include Instagram and YouTube, as I've been closely following this matter due to its interesting nature. Imperial^[AFCND] 06:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

The Instagram handle provided by Shakib ul hassan here [2], @manik.edits_, which is similar to the accounts in group 1, namely ManikSharma8969 and Manik69, initially raised suspicions for me. However, I dismissed this as mere coincidence. Yet, upon encountering the report about Jonharojjashi, I decided to investigate further by searching these names on social media platforms. To my surprise, (Redacted). Given that RagedBrahmin, Manik69, and ManikSharma8969 were already identified as the same user, this additional similarity heightened my suspicion. Moreover, what intensified my doubt was comparing the userpage of RagedBrahmin [3] with one of the articles created by Shakib ul hassan [4]. I have came across multiple instances, where the edits of confirmed socks having similarity with Shakib ul hassan. I find it difficult to believe that all these connections are merely coincidental. Imperial^[AFCND] 08:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@ImperialAficionado, please review the rules in WP:OUTING regarding connecting identities that have not been established onwiki. Where relevant to a sock investigation, you should contact a CheckUser privately instead.

Given that I was possilikely with technical data, your report is sufficient to convince me that the user is a sock of that group. I've now blocked both of the accounts in group 2. Izno (talk) 22:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I sincerely apologize for my actions. I was unaware of the existence of such a rule. Thank you for taking the time to investigate this matter. Regards. Imperial^[AFCND] 23:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Style templates

Hey, the following templates are ones you created and are unused:

• Template:Announcements/New featured content/styles.css
• Template:Archives/styles.css
• Template:POTD row/styles.css

Any plans for them or should I send them to TfD? Gonnym (talk) 10:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gonnym if the question is "are any of these experiments", then no. If the question is "when will these be used", IDK. I could implement the first today, and the second months from now, but the third depends on social effort I haven't been willing to expend. You can just as easily ask if I want to csd-author them you know... Izno (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

• Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
• Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
• Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
• Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
• Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
• Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
• Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
• Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
• Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
• Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
• Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
• Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
• Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
• Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
• Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
• Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
• Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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EC Confirmed access removed? Why?

I noticed you removed my extended confirm access, why is this? I haven’t even edited any extended confirm articles that I recall. I apologize for any perceived wrongdoing, but can you explain? Thanks. LoneWolf803 (talk) 00:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@LoneWolf803, you quite clearly gamed achieving the permission. You may re-request it at WP:PERM/EC after several hundred more productive edits. Izno (talk) 00:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Er, wait, I see the contributions on WP:VPT that you're having issues. My mistake. I will reinstate in good faith. Izno (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Again I apologize for any confusion and/or time wasted. LoneWolf803 (talk) 00:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Unblocking of Zuck28

Hello Izno, request you to respond to my question of 6th March at User talk:Zuck28#March 2024. I pinged you there again on 8th March. Otherwise, you may want to discuss here. Jay 💬 06:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007

Question for you - you didn't happen to look for other accounts when you handled this SPI a few days ago, did you? There's another account that has overlapping time periods of editing but not too much interaction [5]. Another editor poked me on my talk page, and honestly I'm not totally convinced this other account is a sock but enough in the back of my head I thought I'd ask you here. If you didn't, I'm going to keep an eye and see if another SB2007 sock pokes up there head (and from history, they should) on the off chance they are getting fancy enough to split editing articles across multiple accounts. Thanks! Ravensfire (talk) 13:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, election articles (for just about any country) tend to pull some very, very strident editors, don't they? Ravensfire (talk) 13:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, nevermind, pretty sure the newest sock popped up yesterday, SPI created on it with CU check requested. Ravensfire (talk) 13:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Hello Izno, could you temporarily ECP 2024 Indian general election in Tamil Nadu till April 19th, that's when the election gets over. Vistaatsiv, who is the reported at this SPI is now disruptively edit-warring with multiple editors to restore the content added by previous socks. This was one of the most targeted articles by this sock-master. Thanks. - SUN EYE 1 19:31, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Suneye1, I'd suggest requesting protections at WP:RFPP, possibly for the whole batch, if you're looking for ECP. Izno (talk) 21:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Reverted your changes at Wikipedia:Anatomy of a template

I reverted your changes over on Wikipedia:Anatomy of a template as they broke the documentation there. Perhaps were you doing a mass edit of some sort? I'd check if any other pages were broken in that edit. Ergzay (talk) 11:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

March music

story · music · places

Thank you for your support for a MoS change, saying: "I generally applaud this attempt to add support in the MOS for infoboxes." It could be so simple. - Bach music for Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

User:Nen007

Editor is likely now LOUTSOCKing. Several of the same pages edited after the block. CNMall41 (talk) 04:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

That particular IP's edits were all before the block. But yes, I did notice in several cases that an IP had started the articles that ultimately got moved by this account into the main space. The range I looked at was a /16, and I'm not inclined to make blocks that wide. (There are a few admins who will.) Izno (talk) 04:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

MariaJaydHicky sock

Hi Izno. I noticed that you were the admin who blocked User:LaCienega Bouldevardez last year for being a MariaJaydHicky sockpuppet. I believe we have another MJH sock with Kepin' it FUNKY. That editor added a genre to the first article LaCienega Bouldevardez edited (Christina Milian (album)) [6], performed a revert on that article [7], and immediately after registering has come out adding genres/reverting editors disputing those genres on the article for Beyoncé's new album: [8], [9], [10]. Ss112 12:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I just noticed the wikibreak template at the top of your talk page. @Ad Orientem: Maybe you could take a look at this? Ss112 12:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Update: They've now clearly broken 3RR as in addition to the above they have made two more reverts: [11], [12] (the last is a manual revert of this). Kepin' it FUNKY has also tried to claim here that they are the inactive account User:My love is love, who was well known for bringing Beyoncé articles to GA status. I see no evidence that user ever edit warred so I very much doubt this. The user also told me earlier on their talk page they were unregistered for years; nothing until now that I've accused them of being a sockpuppet about previously having an account. They've previously used this "I lost my old password" tactic here. Ss112 13:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ss112 Indeffed and all current edits reverted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Extensive sockpuppetry

Hi, can you get Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007 sorted please? It's a WP:DUCK case but Wikipedia:Sockpuppet Investigations is jammed with cases so it isn't being attended to. The sockpuppeteer is very high activity, in the past he has raked over 1k edits in a week so this isn't sustainable if it takes over a week. Many of the articles will also need extended protection. MrMkG (talk) 06:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations

		100000 Edits
		Congratulations on reaching 100000 edits. You have achieved a milestone that very few editors have been able to accomplish. The Wikipedia Community thanks you for your continuing efforts. Keep up the good work!

-- John of Reading (talk) 06:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on Xerox 1200

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• A bare URL error. References show this error when one of the URL-containing parameters cannot be paired with an associated title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. (Fix | Ask for help)

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Good articles/styles.css

Hello Izno. Can we change #d8ffd8 to a darker color in Good articles/styles.css? In dark mode, the header font is white and cannot be seen against this background color. An example of this color may be seen at the Philosophy or Religion level 3 headers on the page Good articles/Philosophy and religion. The level 2 header color and the Contents color on that page also have white font but those background colors are dark enough. By the way, I was the one who decided on this #d8ffd8 color on these pages years ago. I am glad that you improved GA to use this stylesheet. 20:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Prhartcom (talk) 20:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe to #00a000 ? Prhartcom (talk) 21:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Prhartcom, I've fixed this (for now?) by adding text colors to the relevant stylesheets (WP:Good articles/Summary/styles.css and WP:Good articles/styles.css). There's still an issue with a:not([href]) aka "self links" but I'm going to leave that for someone else to chase...

I don't particularly care what is done here, I'm just the one who made it easier to change all of this in one spot.

To be really blunt (not at you), it is hard to find acceptable colors when you have a gradient and when you also have to balance light and dark mode theming, so sometimes just doing the one color is easier. Especially since we can't flip the green to another color deliberately (unless we want to make it all transparent/inherit in dark mode which is another choice, see e.g. Module:Documentation/styles.css#L-40). Izno (talk) 21:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Changing to black text is good here; it did fix this. You are right about that theme balance. Thanks for all your GA efforts. Prhartcom (talk) 21:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

SAQ as CTOP

Hi! Can you point me to where that was decided? Also, I remember seeing a "list of former CTOP" or similar at one point, but I can't find it again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, [13]. Changes to any specific case are also logged on the case itself. I have also seen the former list but can't point to it. IznoPublic (talk) 15:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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you reverted my "how to stylize points on GeoJSON?" question on village pump technical

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AVillage_pump_%28technical%29&oldid=prev&diff=1222272641

Your edit reason was "wrong page". Where do you suppose the right page is?

Every time I've had an issue with using GeoJSON on wikipedia I've posted on village pump technical and have gotten the help I sought. Examples:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=1160439936
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=1154864271
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=1146486024

The subject line notwithstanding, in-so-far as I know, this is an issue with how wikipedia is incorporating GeoJSON into its pages. Like if it was an issue with GeoJSON, specifically, stackoverflow would probably be a better place to get support, but I'm not convinced that this is a specifically a GeoJSON issue. I don't believe LeafletJS (which can make use of GeoJSON as well) even looks at the "properties" key. tbh idk that the "properties" key wherein I'm setting the styles is a GeoJSON thing or a wikipedia thing.

I mean, superficially, that style stuff looks like SVG attributes but the fact is that that style stuff *isn't* in an SVG. Maybe wikipedia is making use of SVG's to render GeoJSON but at that point that makes it sound like a wikipedia issue. And if it's a wikipedia issue then that would make wikipedia (vs stackoverflow) the best place to ask questions about how to do stuff on wikipedia.

So, again, I ask, where do you suppose the right page for that question is?

I can just revert your reversion but I'd rather not get into an edit war.

For the time being I've just removed the map from the article I had added it to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antelope_Canyon&diff=prev&oldid=1222278738

I will refrain from making any further mapping related contributions to wikipedia until this issue is sorted out. TerraFrost (talk) 00:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

You posted to the talk page of the technical village pump. Izno moved your thread to the technical village pump, the same location where you previously sought assistance. isaacl (talk) 00:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense. Well I feel dumb now lol. Thanks for the explanation! TerraFrost (talk) 01:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins

Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

• Proposals 2 and 9b (phase II discussion): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA and Require links for claims of specific policy violations
• Proposal 3b (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only
• Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
• Proposal 14 (implemented): Suffrage requirements
• Proposals 16 and 16c (phase II discussion): Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs and Community recall process based on dewiki
• Proposal 17 (phase II discussion): Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions
• Proposal 24 (phase II discussion): Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process
• Proposal 25 (implemented): Require nominees to be extended confirmed

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Editor Just Blocked

Hello,

Forgive me if only administrators are meant to comment on this subject. I have no stake or interest in this debate. It does seem to me based on the article history, that the main editor that the accused was arguing with did not in fact, read the article and was mistaken. I agree that what the accused wanted to add doesn't sound neutral, but it seems to be, strictly speaking, accurate. The other editor accused him of not reading the article despite not doing so himself. Again, per the definition of "ignorant" as being without knowledge, that appears to be accurate. He did not call the other person "stupid," or something. The other seemed to have "started it."

TanRabbitry (talk) 17:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@Izno

Here is what I mean: the supposedly insulted editor, after having claimed (apparently wrongly) that the now blocked editor was incorrect, said this, "anyone with an attention span long enough to read the entire lead rather than just the opening paragraph will come across the phrase 'gross negligence.'" The irony of course is he didn't do that himself. While the response was not exactly polite, I don't think it can be construed as an attack. Thank you,

TanRabbitry (talk) 17:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Mister Hundred Thousand

I MADE SIX FIGURES OF EDITS AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CRAPPY CSS IMAGE MACRO

I'm too lazy to fix this HTML and make the text show up in the right place, but you've made 100,000 wikipedia edits so maybe you are willing to do it yourself ;^) jp×g🗯️ 07:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on Ernestine Ygnacio-De Soto

Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page Ernestine Ygnacio-De Soto, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

• A bare URL error. References show this error when one of the URL-containing parameters cannot be paired with an associated title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. (Fix | Ask for help)

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk) 01:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

2008FAR

Thank you for blocking this account as a sock. I've been monitoring the page Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport for some time. In addition to Feetwideroad (talk · contribs), which is currently blocked until May 22, I would assume that this account is also a sock of Gayguyboymen (talk · contribs) and possibly other accounts going back to 2019, some of which are related to this SPI. I also suspect that the most recent accounts may be related to long-term IP disruption going back to July 2023, most recently rangeblocked at 103.166.89.0/24 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) until July. Johnj1995 (talk) 01:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Volleyball res 51 template.

Hi, I see you were a person who edited the res 51 volleyball template. So I wanted to if you had any idea how to put a attendance section (either permanent or optional) in it because I have struggled to do it? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@ILoveSport2006, please avoid posting the same question in multiple places (WP:MULTI).​​ What is the exact name of the template, and/or please provide a link. Izno (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

But I didn't know who would know how to do it. That's why. The link is this: Template:Vb res 51 ILoveSport2006 (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

User: Bigboss19923

Hello, I see you have partially blocked Bigboss19923 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). However, they seem to be taking no notice having twice inserted unsourced information on the Timeline for the day of the September 11 attacks. They seem to take no notice ofrequests on their Talk page, perhaps a full block is necessary for a while? Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 10:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

*Many thanks for all your help. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Navbox history

Maybe not out of a hat, how about moving the history to the Declaration of Independence as a good choice as the U.S. is in its 250th year celebrations, thanks. But will losing the links also remove the navboxes from their pages? Woodensuperman did a good job in placing the navboxes, will dividing them now remove them? Randy Kryn (talk) 00:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn, as I said, the history cannot (and should not) be moved. A redirect is the most reasonable end result. I have no objection to a different hat being selected.

But will losing the links also remove the navboxes from their pages I do not understand this question. Izno (talk) 03:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Moving the name {{United States Declaration of Independence}} to {{Historical American Documents}} would then save the complete history. Woondensuperman moved all of the pages almost perfectly, but on individual signers pages, say James Madison, he didn't have to add anything, they were added to the pages automatically (I think). I don't understand how that came about, probably the renamings, which wouldn't be changed by the separation. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn It would be inappropriate to WP:HMERGE here for multiple reasons, which is what you appear to be asking for with such a move, and I'm declining to do so accordingly. Izno (talk) 03:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the link and explanation. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

"nix custom color"

Special:Diff/1225361019 - why? Primefac (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Primefac, overall objective is to support the new native dark mode. The grey in this template looked close enough to the base color scheme (which already has a color flip). Someone can come up with a reasonable color scheme if they want in TemplateStyles that accurately reflects the narrow distinction from the base color scheme, as I did in the pending template. Izno (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, makes sense. I don't really mind either way, just thought it was an odd edit summary. Thanks for the explanation. Primefac (talk) 15:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much!

Thank you so much for helping me get the ability to add a custom edit summary to rollbacks back on my watchlist! Not having that was making my routine gnomework much more tedious! DonIago (talk) 16:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for removing Template:Date from a few places I've unknowingly been adding them too

I was under the impression that we should use Template:Date across Wikipedia in all articles. However, the template's docs clearly mention it's supposed to be used by other templates and not in articles. Do you know why?

Skratata69 (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Skratata69, I would guess that there's an expectation that people know how to add a date, and that they always add it in a MOS appropriate fashion. The template allows quite a bit of laziness and ambiguity. MOS appropriate fashion also allows the variety of tools that work with dates to work as expected. I have definitely found more than a few instances where I would not want it used.

It looks like the original suggestion to use it only outside mainspace was added in 2008, which was later strengthened in 2014. It looks like there was some churn even at that early age of Wikipedia about the use of the template, see e.g. Template:Date/doc#Known issues. I suspect these are a large concern for general use in the mainspace... Izno (talk) 20:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Removed request at WP:RFHM

Could you explain why you have removed my request from WP:RFHM with no action? GTrang (talk) 23:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@GTrang it basically appears to be disruption for some point that I cannot intuit. It is both not appropriate for the main requests page due to it requesting a difference in how that works and on the merits it is also not appropriate as we do not merge archives back into non-archives without significant reason.

If you really think that is an idea worth pursuing, feel free to propose it at the talk page instead. Izno (talk) 23:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Your SPI close

Regarding your close of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jengaboot, as you can see from Special:Contributions/Austin613 reactivated 7 hours after you closed the SPI and Austin613 even indicated that no sockpuppets were found. They paused editing right when the SPI case was opened despite editing for six hours then. It would be good to have a definitive result. starship.paint (RUN) 04:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Starship.paint you can reopen it if you want Izno (talk) 04:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Done, thank you. starship.paint (RUN) 04:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Template:Cite Grove 2001

I think that the correct thing is to follow the suggestion of some participants at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 30#Template:Cite Grove 2001 to merge Template:Cite NewGrove2001 into Template:Cite Grove 2001 because the latter is a proper wrapper template. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I participated at that TfD, and (maybe unsurprisingly) think the consensus was misread in the close. Easy enough mistake to make, since it appears that Gonnym changed their mind but never struck or altered anything in their initial post, Xover neither bolded anything nor visually separated their comment from the one above it, and I used non-standard terminology having not seen this kind of situation previously. Folly Mox (talk) 12:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Michael Bednarek, I picked the template that had higher use – replacing 2 uses as opposed to 50+ is generally less disruptive in multiple ways – and then said "migrate the functionality of the other to that one". It was decidedly not a misread as I did see Gonnym's later comment (@Folly Mox) but instead a deliberate choice with the comments that were offered, since no one offered a substantial opinion on which name should be picked, only on how the remaining template works (notably, to use Module:Template wrapper). If someone wants to change the name later, someone can RM or even just have the other template G6 moved over. In all, this felt like it could have been a WP:BOLD merge instead of a TFD.... Izno (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I have completed the merge. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure, that's fair. Thanks for the explanation 🙏🏽 Folly Mox (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nilpriyo/Archive

I do not want to open another SPI for this as I think a quick look would suffice. This was open awaiting more behavioral evidence which wasn't provided in a timely manner. Now, there is more that is head scratching and quacking. User Nilpriyo just created Ashtami (Bengali TV series) which is an alternative disambiguation to Ashtami (TV series) which was obviously done to avoid detection given the deletion discussion in May. The editor interaction looks like more than FANCRUFCT as well. The same couple of users are editing the exact same pages which appears to be a coordinated effort and possibly UPE. CNMall41 (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Note that Nilpriyo was the original creator of Ashtami (TV series) and the discussion on their talk page when it was moved to draft space is still present so they are well aware when they created the alternative disambiguation. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

And they just created Mon Dite Chai (TV series) despite it being recently closed after a deletion discussion as a redirect. They created it under a disambiguation that was different to avoid detection. Reported to ARV but adding this to the evidence would show obvious DUCK or MEAT. Let me know if this is enough to check or if I should go ahead and file a new SPI. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@CNMall41, I'm not very convinced after looking at this, TBH. I get what you're seeing, but I also see what Vanamonde sees there from an admin perspective. I'll be busy for a bit, so you're probably going to want to take it up elsewhere regardless. Sorry it took me a week to get to this. Izno (talk) 20:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Izno1

Hi, just to let you know that there now is a user:Izno1 whose every mainspace edit has been reverted. Perhaps needs blocking? Fram (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Fram, you can report to any of the typical places if you believe the actions fit. Doesn't appear to be a case of deliberate impersonation. Izno (talk) 15:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Module:RFX report

Hey @Izno hopefully you are fine. I Want to add this module and it's sub modules in to the bnwiki. Um my question is what I need to change in the module so that it works in the bnwiki? R1F4T (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@R1F4T, please use Module talk:RFX report for assistance with this question. I will be busy for the foreseeable future. Izno (talk) 16:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @R1F4T I'll be happy to help you figure this out. Lets continue this conversation on my talk page. Sohom (talk) 16:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta thanks R1F4T (talk) 16:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

About your block of Nickaline

It appears that the editor has at least two ducks: 2804:14D:AC85:4AC4:BCFB:E81B:33C1:B185 & 177.100.230.10.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Skywatcher68, see User talk:Nickaline#May 2024 2. I am additionally unavailable at this time for admin actions. IznoPublic (talk) 08:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of List of star systems within 20–25 light-years for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of star systems within 20–25 light-years is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of star systems within 20–25 light-years (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Hekerui (talk) 12:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Your bot edits

Regarding this edit and what might or might not be thousands more edits from Iznobot that wind up on my watchlist: I've had a lot of conversations with PresN at FLC over the years, so if you're going to edit every page that he or anyone else has ever edited that has that particular text, that might or might not add a huge number of edits to my watch list. For now, I'll just wait and see what happens, and hide all bot edits from my watchlist. Maybe it won't be a problem, I don't know yet. - Dank (push to talk) 17:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dank, the task is now already done. The issue was introduced fairly recently. Izno (talk) 17:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Great, thx. - Dank (push to talk) 18:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm sick and was feeling cranky, I should have checked the task log before asking. - Dank (push to talk) 19:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Noticeboard vandal

Hi Izno. Just a friendly heads up... I've been playing whack a mole with this clown for most of the last hour and protected several of our noticeboards, but they are clearly on the warpath tonight. Unfortunately I need to get some sleep. I've left a note at AN but suspect they are not done. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they just hit my watchlist is all. Izno (talk) 06:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Here we go again.-Ad Orientem (talk) 23:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Emptied official website with unknown parameters

I emptied Category:Pages using Official website with unknown parameters which is listed near the bottom of User:Izno#A_thing_or_two_to_do. Not sure why the template breaks when a parameter contains an equals sign. Should there be a bottask that fixes template parameters that contain equals signs (and other illegal chars if any) and replaces them with the URL encoded equivalent or uses |1= or whatever else is needed to escape the wrath of the unholy template? Polygnotus (talk) 02:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Polygnotus, Help:Template#Equals. Izno (talk) 15:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 July 29#Taiwan political party templates

Hello, Izno,

Thanks for your work taking care of this closure today. But it left quite a lot of template talk page broken redirects. Do you use Twinkle to delete pages? I do, and for some reason, it doesn't handle redirect talk pages like it handles redirects. Over the years, I've brought this issue up on the Twinkle talk page several times and I don't recall any explanation for this that was ever offered. It seems like if Twinkle can delete redirects, it should delete redirect talk pages, too. Luckily, we have AnomieBOT III and Quarry queries which can locate these broken redirects in out-of-the-way places. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't usually have a problem with it, or at least I've never been bugged if I have. I did notice today it wasn't deleting things like it should but I put that down to exiting the page with Twinkle on it before Twinkle could take care of the issue. Izno (talk) 00:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:Cite Google Maps

Template:Cite Google Maps is weird if you write:

{{Google maps|url=https://www.google.com/maps/place/Labadie,+Haiti/@19.78524,-72.24648,1266m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8eb6c0b728df61a3:0x2b20493d13e63955!8m2!3d19.77205!4d-72.2474823?hl=en |title=Labadie |accessdate=13 October 2016}}

you get this:

"Labadie" (Map). Google Maps. Retrieved 13 October 2016.

Instead of what you should get:

"Labadie". Google Maps. Retrieved 13 October 2016.

Would you be so kind to take a look? Thanks, Polygnotus (talk) 12:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, there are those of us who think the author parameter is redundant and the date meaningless. But there is an editor who mantles over that template like a kestrel on a mouse. See the talk page and its archive.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Damn, never mind. Perhaps we should invent a new {{mbox}} template: "This article/template/module/whatever is owned by x. Do not touch it". Polygnotus (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Or you can work to create consensus on the template's talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, I'll bite. Polygnotus (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95, I so rarely get to party! Izno (talk) 22:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

"Defense of the Ancients under Linux" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Defense of the Ancients under Linux has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 28 § Defense of the Ancients under Linux until a consensus is reached. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

It feels wierd notifying you of this - I don't think you care about some random fancruft you redirected in 2009, but erring on the side of caution here. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Your comment at TFD

Just saw your comment at this TFD: maybe add it to WP:TFDO? If you don't want to/don't have time I can probably do so. Primefac (talk) 11:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

aaaaaand I did it while I was thinking about it (had some other updates to make anyway). If you know of any similar discussions that could be added to the examples list, please feel free to do so. Primefac (talk) 12:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

@Primefac I'm pretty sure I've been involved in prior discussion about low-use special citation templates and they haven't been deleted, which is why I recommended a separate essay (and more or less not remembering we have a TFDO). Izno (talk) 16:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm... if you can remember where you found those, might be worth doing a larger analysis. My anecdotal experience is that these usually get subst, but I'll have to dig through the log archives to find more examples. Primefac (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

@Primefac Of low-use citation templates where the objective was not merging to a more-used specialized citation template, there's not much in 2024. I haven't looked further back (yet?). I searched using a query "citation" intitle:2024 (and also the word "cite") from WP:TFD's archive box. Burrows Wheeler 1994 is the discussion I was thinking of where I specifically commented, which was a keep (arguably a withdraw). BPL is the one that spawned this discussion which was a delete. AtWt2021 and CODATA1998 maybe also qualify, both deletes.

Of no-use citation templates, deletion was almost exclusively the result, but that already falls under another item at TFDO. Izno (talk) 22:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Interesting. Will have to do some more digging. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 13:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's weird, numerically more have been deleted than not but there doesn't seem to be any clear trend or minimum use case. Primefac (talk) 17:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

AWB link cleankups in archives

Re this edit, does it really make sense to be doing that in archives? I think it was not broken. Dicklyon (talk) 05:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It was a fix for something that will be broken soon. See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Cleaning_up_MOS:_links. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Dicklyon (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Links should be broken as of an hour or two ago. Izno (talk) 15:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

IznoRepeat added duplicate no-tracking parameters (old edit)

This is an edit from March 2024, but IznoRepeat added duplicate parameters to citations that already had |no-tracking=, requiring a bit of follow-up. The pages ended up in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. No big deal, but if you run the code again, please avoid duplicate parameters if possible. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95, yeah, no, I'm not going to complicate my regex just to avoid this situation. The usual suspects will take care of this. Izno (talk) 14:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Math-link

No transclusions. Created in 2021. I see that the bug is still open. Is the template still needed? – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 I'd have to pull teeth to deploy it, probably, since it's a piece of garbage to work with :). But yes, the bug remains open and likely will remain open until Parsoid read views are deployed here (Parsoid currently fixes the bug)... Which might be some time next year or the year after, by the look of other progress (Wikivoyage is looking to be done, besides wikis with language conversion).

I've been thinking about whether to give up on this particular template.... I can move it to sandbox life if you really want. Izno (talk) 02:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

If it had one transclusion, it would stay off of the unused template report, and then people like me would (probably) not bother you about it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I've relocated them. It's not worth my time. :^) Izno (talk) 22:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

User:244 MEDIUM REGIMENT

They are still spamming on their talk page after being blocked. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 07:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for your heroic frontal assault on the SPI backlog. Wikishovel (talk) 17:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet template

What is the proper template for filing a sock puppet investigation? I follow what is listed [[14]], but you always I not doing it right. Can you please enlighten me on this point? I was forced to waste my time filing another report on our friend Kelownatopdog here who is trying to impersonate me yet again. I followed the entire template and I would like to know what is wrong with it. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@A.S. Brown, you appear to be removing headers for content you're not filling in, or using some non-standard template. You shouldn't do that. Your most recent filing should have headers for "Comments by other users" and "CU/Clerk/Admin comments", as I added in this edit. When you go to this page (for example), accessed from the collapsible box on WP:SPI after you fill in the right name, don't remove any of the parameters you aren't using. Izno (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all your help and time. It is all very tiresome as Kelownatopdog is never going to stop his sock puppetry. The solution is very simple. It is always the same articles he edits, so the best solution would be permanently protected to put a stop to this. But until that solution is adopted, I am afraid I am have to keep wasting my time filing these reports, so it is best to learn how to do them properly. Thank you very again for all your help. A.S. Brown (talk) 17:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Changes to the CheckUser team, September 2024

Following a request to the Arbitration Committee, the CheckUser permissions of Izno are restored. In addition, the Committee belatedly acknowledges the resignation of Spicy from the CheckUser team and thanks them for their service.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Sdrqaz (talk) 23:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Changes to the CheckUser team, September 2024

RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review

Hi there! The trial of the RfA discussion-only period passed at WP:RFA2024 has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period. Cheers, and happy editing! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

New message from Matrix

Hello, Izno. You have new messages at Template talk:Collapse top.
Message added 14:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I understand per talk header you might be on Wikibreak, but if you have the time to do so please see my response to your comments. Thanks in advance! —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 14:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

2601:152:5082:19F0:0:0:0:0/64

2601:152:5082:19F0:0:0:0:0/64 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Hi, you blocked this IP range for disruptive edits not too long ago (20 September, 31 hours). Could you review their recent edits and apply another block if necessary, since it looks like they're back to more disruption once again. Thanks. 73.67.145.30 (talk) 19:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

G5: Created by a banned or blocked user in violation of ban or block

Dear Izno,

I hope you’re doing well. I’m writing to kindly request clarification regarding the deletion of the Marge Carson page on 27 September 2024. I understand that the page was deleted under the G5 criterion due to being associated with a banned or blocked user.

To clarify, we had hired the blocked user to assist with the process of submitting the page, but we were not aware of their ban status at the time. We value Wikipedia as an important resource and personally use it regularly, so our intent was never to violate any rules or cause harm to the community. The page contained valid, sourced information and followed the policies on notability and neutrality to the best of our knowledge.

We would be grateful if you could reconsider the deletion or provide guidance on how to properly recreate the page in compliance with Wikipedia’s guidelines.

Thank you very much for your time and any advice you can offer.

Best regards,

Tom Farmer217 (talk) 01:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Farmer217, never ever hire anyone to write anything for you on Wikipedia. They are almost always doing so as undisclosed paid editors, which is forbidden by both the WMF's terms of service and our own policies, and we consider it an unethical practice.

I can provide you the list of sources used, if you do not already have it. You may use the articles for creation process to draft a new article at your leisure and then submit the draft when it is ready for someone else to approve into the main article space. It looks like you have already appropriately declared your conflict of interest. Izno (talk) 02:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and for clarifying the situation. I appreciate your guidance regarding the policies on paid editing and will make sure to adhere strictly to Wikipedia’s guidelines moving forward. I can assure you that our intention was always to comply with Wikipedia’s standards.

The reason we hired someone to assist with the page creation is that we do not have much experience with creating articles on Wikipedia, and we wanted the process to be done correctly. Now that we understand the policies more clearly, we will handle things ourselves.

I would be grateful if you could provide the list of sources that were used in the original article. I will work on drafting a new article through the Articles for Creation process and ensure that everything is done in line with the community's expectations.

Thank you again for your time and assistance. I look forward to creating a page that properly represents the subject within Wikipedia’s policies. Farmer217 (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Farmer217: I have placed them on your talk page. Izno (talk) 15:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For guiding me through every part of Template talk:Collapse top#Protected edit request on 4 September 2024 despite me not knowing a bunch of stuff and generally being a plonker ;) —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - uselesscontributions} 20:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Strange Redirect encounter (Blocked user)

Hello, I just noticed that the User, who was recently blocked by you - User:اکھنڈ بھارت ۱۹۴۷ redirected his user page to the article Next Tripura Legislative Assembly election. Can you remove this redirect from the article? 456legendtalk 03:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

User pages, contrary to popular belief, can be edited by other users, most usually when they cause other people problems or unexpected interaction. Izno (talk) 03:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Noted, I will remove it myself. Thank you. 456legendtalk 05:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Tran Kim Chung

Hi @Izno: How goes it? I see the article Tran Kim Chung is now being updated by IP address account which has magically appeared. I'm just wondering if that is the same editor you blocked yesterday? scope_creep^Talk 09:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep mucking with the references is an MO consistent with that sock group. Izno (talk) 16:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

SPI followup

Hi there. Regarding your close of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alon9393/Archive#03_October_2024, that arbitration enforcement block expires in a week; do you see any reason to extend the block for socking? Thanks Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dclemens1971, no. If the behavior continues after the block ends, re-report to either AIV or AE or SPI and we can extend the block. IPs in general are not blocked for lengthy times in an attempt to avoid blocking innocent users when the IP rotates. Izno (talk) 18:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the response! Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:30, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Who's who

Izno, I just blocked Eidndjddj as a sock. Based on their behavior, I thought they could be a sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sita786, which AFAIK had no CU involvement, or of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tejeindu. You closed the latter with the cryptic comment "Mmhmm". Must be a CU signal I'm unaware of. :p You CU-blocked both, so I'm assuming you ran a check, although I don't know if you found them confirmed or some lesser finding. You didn't tag them; I know you're not a big fan of tagging. For "my" sock, I tagged them (I am a fan of tagging) as Sita786, mainly because Sita786 is older than Tejeindu. Long story short (I know, a bit late for that), are the two cases related? Thanks...and even greater thanks for the impressive work you've done at SPI recently...you might wish to consider sleeping sometime.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bbb23 Mmhmm is usually "it's so confirmed I probably didn't even need to run a check". :)

I am not not a fan of tagging per se. Not using tags is rooted in three things.

1. It's not always obvious when to tag. The clerk procedures say always, but there's some other set of undocumented rules about it from what I can see, even ignoring the messages on specific SPIs that say not to tag. (One of the rules appears to be, at least for some SPI ghouls, that you don't need to tag for just a couple accounts. But don't tag when it's too many, it's just not worth getting lost in the tagging. And etc.)
2. I think all four of a tag, a mention in the block log, the message on the user talk page, and "here's my assessment of the probability" at the SPI is probably superfluous. With spihelper I'm more or less obligated to two of those (by default anyway), and the third of those, commenting at SPI, is enough to settle whether someone is definitely or maybe a sockpuppet of some other person. To which a reader is pointed assuming they read the block log.
3. It seems to cause a lot of edits to happen, both in the initial tagging (an additional edit on every user page plus needing to set up the categories for new masters), and on down the road when a "new" master is identified by a good faith user and then we end up needing to merge the case into another. spihelper speeds all these things up so it doesn't seem like a big deal on that front, but it's still extra buttons that need clicking and another dozen edits in my contributions for any particular group. (And also, trying to manually sort {{sockpuppet}} to identify new masters or specific probability to specific users is a pain.)

I have zero issues with someone following me around to do this paperwork, of course.

How did you get to a connection between those two cases? A glance shows no particular topic overlap that I can see. Izno (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't fully understand your comments about tagging, but probably better to address your question. Kalpa Latha is the connection between Eidndjddj and Tejeindu, and Chaitra Rai is the connection to Sita786.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bbb23, Eidndjddj and Tejeindu are  Confirmed.

For the Sita group, these are  Confirmed to each other

• Kudegu (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Sitakumari098 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Deepakkkk12 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Kajalkumari01113 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

which of course includes some new faces if you want to chase things.

I couldn't get to confirmed for the Sita786 account for any of the above but that's a more-staleness thing I'd say.

I also couldn't get to confirmed between the two groups. I'd put it at  Likely in the technical details, even ignoring the behavioral overlaps.

I've listed a request at WT:SPI/C#Two merge requests to merge them. Izno (talk) 19:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

Was just about to report this. Looks like the IP was attempting to work in tandem to create a smoke screen. Thank you. CNMall41 (talk) 05:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@CNMall41, this is Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Hamish Ross for the future. Izno (talk) 05:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Null edits

Can you null edit the .js pages in Category:Lang and lang-xx template errors (to get them out of the category) please? Gonnym (talk) 10:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Gonnym looks like someone did. Izno (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Requesting PP

Hi, will it be possible to protect this article, considering recent sock activity? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Message

Would you please Block user @Carlo jamid for prevent vandalism, putting unsourced countries without rediable source, on pageant article Miss Universe 2024. 77.77.218.177 (talk) 13:22, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

If you believe they are vandalizing, you should probably submit a request at WP:AIV. Or if it's unreferenced, at WP:ANI. Izno (talk) 17:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Sunnyediting99

Hi User:Izno, I'm not sure if you've already been informed about this or if User:Asilvering forgot to do so, but that admin wants you to review User:Sunnyediting99's latest unblock request over at User talk:Sunnyediting99 § Question for administrator.

Regards, — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I already passed it on, no worries. Sometimes the queue is a bit purgatorial. -- asilvering (talk) 01:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Indeed I was shouted at already. I leave assessment to the reviewing admin. Izno (talk) 17:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

G5?

Hello. Do the pages created by اردو بولنے والے ملا and Dr._Mamtaz_Begum qualify as a G5? --Min☠︎rax^«¦talk¦» 03:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Minorax Sure, but they're not in either draft or article space. Izno (talk) 18:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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A Slinky for you!

	The sysop slinky of history merging
	Turns out, you have been the only person besides Hey man im josh to handle my histmerge requests in the past 2 weeks. You get a slinky! I would add 5 of them but that would get obnoxious. Thank you for completing the annoying task of histmerges :) Sennecaster (Chat) 20:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Anup Rajbanshi

Hi, could you reblock 2400:1a00:bd20:b07b::/64 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)? They're back to editing. C F A 💬 23:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Popular pages, link for "Protected edit request"

Greetings Izno, Looking at History for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject/Popular pages config.json I see that the config was moved to a new location. Can the "Protected edit request" Link also be updated? It does not point to the new location. I'm asking here as I am clueless of how to update. Thanks, JoeNMLC (talk) 17:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done - Thank you Izno. Cheers! JoeNMLC (talk) 17:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Icewhiz and other Israeli users

Hey Izno, I want to start by saying that I fully understand you're a professional reviewer, and I greatly appreciate your work. Regarding Icewhiz and the editors accused of being his sockpuppets, I've noticed some of these editors are active on other language Wikipedias; specifically, I’ve checked the Hebrew Wikipedia. And not only that, at least in Hebrew, I can say that the topics they work on are completely different.

There aren’t many users from Israel, and every time there are editors working on sensitive topics, they’re immediately marked as sockpuppets or accused of something else and then blocked. I can point to at least seven such cases that I’ve seen here.

After being accused once myself, and after seeing others, like Atbannett, for instance, who has also been accused (at least twice, each time about a different person), I can’t help but be concerned about this issue.

Again, I really appreciate your work, and it’s not something I take for granted. However, could you let me know if you are absolutely certain beyond any doubt that this is the same person? Eladkarmel (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Eladkarmel,  CheckUser is not magic pixie dust... is the short version. The longer version: There is no "beyond all doubt" in any sockpuppet investigation, and decidedly not one which may be Icewhiz, who is anyway known to be technically savvy. The best we have is learning the art of how sockpuppets work, sometimes guided by the use of the CheckUser tool. But in this specific case, as Barkeep said on the SPI, it doesn't matter whether the specific users can be connected specifically to Icewhiz, it matters whether they can be connected to anyone at all, and whether they have been abusive in their connection. To which I can say, there is indeed a connection between the now-half-dozen accounts, and given how they've been editing, indeed abuse has occurred as a result. Even if this is somehow simple meatpuppetry and we haven't identified just one editor but several, editors still aren't allowed to edit without disclosing their connection. But the nature of the specific connection doesn't come across as your typical meatpuppetry. Izno (talk) 17:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Cresco634

A user has appeared claiming to be the new account of a just blocked sockpuppet. Srnec (talk) 15:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Cresco634 Izno (talk) 16:08, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Mwakwe256

Apologies for not including all the names here initially. Now that they have been blocked, they are editing the related pages from this IP. Is there any chance we can block it? CNMall41 (talk) 21:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Template:UEFA fifth level leagues

I saw you closed as delete, do I need to do anything else or will a bot sort it out? Regards, Govvy (talk) 11:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

A contributor at WP:TFDH will sort out removal and then an admin will delete it. Izno (talk) 16:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

k, thanks, from memory the last template that I sent to TfD, I cleaned up after the result and I was later told I should have left it for someone else. :/ Cheers again. Govvy (talk) 17:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Without knowing the details, you may have been told that because you did it wrong and not because you were too involved. :^) Izno (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

A user question in an obvious but less travelled place

Please would you look at this user question. The venue seems relatively unvisited. I'm asking you simply because I think you are currently very active at SPI and the question is directly relevant to SPI. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

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2Rivers Group socks

Hello. You blocked the User:2Rivers Group account on 2 November for violating Wikipedia rules, specifically for PR and removing embarrassing information from the 2Rivers page. I would like to inform you that 2Rivers Group bypassed the blocking and registered two accounts User:Multivit542 and User:NicolasRitchonLord. This two accounts are violating Wikipedia rules, in particular they are trying to clean up the page by removing sources and investigations about the company. Please look into this question. 2A02:2378:1020:AB2D:F45C:5E4D:B968:7990 (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The former account and this pair were not the same user. But this pair was a UPE group of some quality or another. Izno (talk) 18:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Sock

Why did you say it was 3 years later that the baton was passed for the meatpuppet here? It was 3 months, or 2 months if you count from last edit to the first user’s Talk page.—Jeffro77 Talk 20:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

3 months from the creation of the later account, but 3 years from when they apparently started editing on the topic that apparently ties them to the earlier account. Izno (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I see. It does seem that the new editor took some time to ‘find their feet’ with minor edits initially, however the core editing motivation remains the same. It was so long ago that it doesn’t really matter so much, but the timing and common agenda are suspect.—Jeffro77 Talk 20:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Pakistani films

hello, i am vertern with grammar issues who had joined for 14 years ago and should allowed i add drafts of Daghabaaz Dil and Poppay Ki Wedding and check my older Contributions history by --Sunuraju (talk) 06:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sunuraju (talk page watcher) I see you are from India. What's your mother tongue? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

malayalam and english Sunuraju (talk) 08:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sunuraju Maybe you'll have better luck on the Malayamlam Wikipedia. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

Well, the veggies are chopped, but my significant other is still reading a PhD thesis in advance of the student's viva and has asked me to put dinner on a go-slow, so I sat back down at the laptop. I usually get SPI-conflicts with RoySmith, so it's a nice change to bump heads with you. We should probably all use the 'in progress' button more frequently! Anyway, I wanted to say how good it is to have had you back working the SPI queue regularly in recent months - I had to step back for a while over the summer due to IRL commitments, and I know that Roy spent some time away from SPI doing actual content work earlier in the year, so I was a bit worried that things might slide - it's really great to see someone with your experience putting their shoulder to the wheel and keeping the queue in check. Girth Summit (blether) 19:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Izno, I'll second the barnstar. A few months ago I was starting to despair at the state of SPI, you've pretty much single-handedly churned through months of backlog. Thanks! RoySmith (talk) 19:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bobanfasil

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Genuine_10&redlink=1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Infotalks23&redlink=1

check/block asap please, surely "boban" pattern Cenderabird (talk) 05:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

You may submit a report at WP:SPI with specific diffs that you believe illustrate that these two accounts are socks of Bobanfasil. Izno (talk) 06:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

76.71.63.110

I add to an IP that has convolutedly requested a user to explicitly point out that Crunchyroll LLC has the DVD rights to Mushoku Tensei, an anime series produced by Studio Bind instead of assuming that the in-house studio or distributor was confused and that they were the same people at Funimation who made this name change when two companies merged following Sony's acquisition of the streaming service Crunchyroll in 2021, sockpuppet of Silence of Lambs.

See: 1, 2 186.6.100.185 (talk) 22:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

You should file a new SPI for new IPs. That increases the likelihood that your request doesn't get hit by a bus and ensures a likely more-open review. Izno (talk) 23:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. 186.6.100.185 (talk) 23:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for your hard SPI work

It's a load of details work, and often goes unthanked. We mere mortals rely on good people like you at SPI. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Potential sock puppetry... need advice

Hey. I see you're quite active at SPI so I wanted some advice or an opinion before I file a report. User:Lookslikely is a relatively new account opened a couple of days ago that I ran into while looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ekaterina Ovcharenko, and after looking into the edit history of that account, I found it to be quite similar to the account that created that particular AfD, User:Shrug02. They focus on the same topics, tennis and cricket, and their edits mainly consist of adding citations to articles. Now, their edits aren't particularly disruptive at all actually, but the activity at AfD struck me as a little odd. Do you have any thoughts... should I just send this to SPI or is it just a coincidence and I'm looking too deep into it? Adamtt9 (talk) 13:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

If the behavior isn't disruptive and doesn't look like UPE, it's not worth chasing at SPI. Izno (talk) 16:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I was thinking. It was just the vote stacking at AfD that sent the red flags. Adamtt9 (talk) 16:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

I just wanted to say that I'm not just grateful the speed of processing my latest SPI case but that I've noticed that great work you have been doing overall at SPI. The fact that the current list of SPI cases has your name on 74 times show your dedication but also, along with the other dedicated SPI editors, that the list is relatively short and up-to-date is a pleasure to see and appreciation is very much merited. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)