Template talk:Infobox NHL team season

Infobox

This infobox looks great. Very informative & accurate. GoodDay 21:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Just one 'tiny' suggestion. As there's usually more then one alternate captain, perhaps 'Alternate Captains' would be more accurate, even if (in a co-captaincy situation) there's only one alternate captain. GoodDay 21:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I had been thinking of that as well. No harm in adding an extra s. Resolute 21:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

League Leaders

Suggestion: Can we have some symbol like '†' in the 'Team leaders' category to denote league leaders (if any)? Guess this will be more informative. P|^|C (talk) 08:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Links to surrounding seasons

I happened to come across Big Brother 10 (U.S.) and noticed the infobox there has links (in the form of ◄ and ► ) that go to the previous season, and the next season (if it exists - otherwise, the arrow does not appear). I think this would be a nice thing to have on this template. I'm not good with this kind of coding, so maybe somebody else can include it. I've copied the code that was added to the other template, if that is of any help.

{{#if:{{{previous|}}}|<div style="float: left"> [[{{{previous}}}|◄]]</div>}}{{#if:{{{next|}}}|<div style="float: right">[[{{{next}}}|►]] </div>}}

Thoughts? - Rjd0060 (talk) 21:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know that that is really necessary since we have the template at the bottom of each season page that lists the seasons. -Djsasso (talk) 22:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course nothing is necessary. It would be a nice touch. - Rjd0060 (talk) 22:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh I know. I am not against it by anymeans, just wasn't sure if you knew we had those. :) -Djsasso (talk) 22:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I would prefer it be the years instead of the arrows, like the NFL infoboxes. Random arrows might confuse people without explination. Blackngold29 03:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I also prefer years instead of arrows, but perhaps something more subtle than the NFL infoboxes. A smaller font, maybe? Either way, I agree they would be a nice addition. -- Skyezx _{// msg} 11:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I just started getting interested in editing NHL Team information/statistics, and I think a link in the infobox is better: if I'm browsing to find the right season for a certain statistic, I would more likely use the infobox to change seasons than go all the way to the bottom and select the next/previous one. I know that it's no easier or harder to do so, but I can't be the only one that prefers an interface like that. It wouldn't be a significant change either. Would it be wise to have a vote? Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 17:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Its actually being discussed right now on WT:HOCKEY. You might want to join the project too if you haven't already. The issue at the moment is that its a significant change as we will have to go through every page of every team for each season and make changes. -Djsasso (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll join that project for the discussion. I know it's a tedious job to do if we agree on it, but I think it's worth putting in the time to update it. Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 23:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Spelling typo

{{editprotected}} Under the "Mandatory fields" section of this template page, the word "mandatory" is spelled incorrectly as "madatory". I'd change it if I could, but of course I can't. Thanks to the one who can fix it. --Mtjaws (talk) 17:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done by User:Djsasso. - Rjd0060 (talk) 03:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Add hCard microformat

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Please change: [changes redacted to save space] to add the hCard microformat. Thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done Happy‑melon 14:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

All working as it should. Thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 14:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Please also move documentation to {{documentation}}. Thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 15:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done - Rjd0060 (talk) 17:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 17:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Move some sections below

I suggest grouping the GM, coach, thru Arena rows in a separate grouping after the team leaders section. Take a look at 1917–18 Montreal Canadiens season as a mockup. That would put the record of the team in the upper section, player performance in the middle, and team organizational info in the bottom grouping. Alaney2k (talk) 01:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

It certainly is something we can move around... as an aside, why do the Canadiens deserve their own infobox? Resolute 05:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I would like to use the NHLTeamSeason template. One problem was that the template is only for NHL teams. The second problem was that the non-NHL template looks significantly different. What I did was copy the NHLTeamSeason template and make the edits I needed for the Canadiens. We could integrate those changes into this template. In fact, I would like that, but I was not going to stop working on the Canadiens while it gets debated here. A matter of time I figured, not that I hate the NHLTeamSeason template. Here is what is needed. An option to over-ride the league. An option to set the colors, like we do for the team templates and the team seasons templates. Then the Montreal Canadiens template can just populate the NHL template with the appropriate options. Alaney2k (talk) 14:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

First, though, what about adding the divider, and moving the gm, coach, etc. stuff down below. I think it makes a better organized infobox. Alaney2k (talk) 14:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I definitely think the Team Leaders section should stay at the bottom of this template. Looks better that way, in my opinion, and I don't really see a reason to change it. - Rjd0060 (talk) 14:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

The basic idea is that we have three sections in the infobox - team record - team leaders - organization info. Are you okay with making the infobox show that there are three sections? At least use a divider? Alaney2k (talk) 14:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

That sounds fine. I just noticed on the above linked infobox for the Canadiens that the team leaders section was in the middle. - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I've broken the team info into its own section. Thoughts? Resolute 15:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to know people's thoughts about putting it second or third in the infobox. Alaney2k (talk) 16:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the current one, as of now. I personally would be against moving the Team leaders section, but am open to discuss any other suggestions for improvement. - Rjd0060 (talk) 18:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Uniforms

Several of the other major sports on Wikipedia include team uniforms in the season infobox – at the very least association football and American football include it. I think that it would be a great addition to the ice hockey team season infobox as well. Some teams in the NHL alter their uniforms fairly frequently, especially the alternate jerseys, and it would be a great way to document the jerseys through the years. I'm sure that there are a lot of jersey images out there that aren't being used anymore because as of now they are only included in the main team article's infobox and are discarded once the uniform is changed. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 11:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

We only just started putting uniforms on the main team pages in the last year or two, so there aren't too many unused ones floating around out there. I have no problem with this proposal. Just not sure if it would pass NFCC conditions. It might because its specificially the jersey from that season. I know we can't have team logo's by themselves on season pages because they aren't directly relevant to the season and have been deemed decoration. -DJSasso (talk) 13:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Uniforms rarely change in the NHL, and the various iterations are already typically included on the main team articles. On the season articles, I think they would qualify only as decoration. That would never pass NFCC if we included team logos, and I don't see much value in generic colour blotches without. The ideal solution is to use photographs of players from that season wherever possible. Resolute 14:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Special Teams

Would it be useful to add a Power Play and Penalty Kill section to this template?

One95 (talk) 21:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe. None of my media guides mention PP and PK percentage in a historical context - only the previous season's totals. Is there a site with reasonable historical data available? ESPN would only go back about eight seasons. Resolute 22:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

You're right. I can't find a good one. NHL site only goes to 97-98. One95 (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Farm teams

How about adding a field for minor league affiliates? --Izzygood (talk) 00:05, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Re-direct needs to be moved

Template:NHLTeamSeason. The infobox isn't showing up on articles that use this. --Izzygood (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Timestamp for last update

There needs to be a small letter info at the bottom of each section or the bottom of the table to inform about when the last update was made. If not especially the team record and leaders list is pointless. You're just asking yourself if the information is up-to-date or not. Just my 2 cents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.118.89.211 (talk) 05:40, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 June 2014

Hi everyone. Could we add a updated parameter as per section above. I believe we should show when stats are accurate just like we do at every football infobox I know (mostly edit at WP:FOOTBALL related pages). It is good to show when stats are correct during season, so viewers dont have to guess if it is updated or not.

I made this edit to the sandbox to test adding |Updated= and it worked when I tried on testcases here.

So please add

|-
{{#if:{{{Updated|}}}| 
{{!}} colspan="2" align="center" {{!}} Statistics accurate as of {{{Updated|}}}}}

beneath goals against average. QED237 (talk) 00:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Taking a second look at it we might even should have two different "updated". one for team stats (at first of three infobox section) and one for the team leaders as I have added now. QED237 (talk) 12:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

We generally find those sort of dates never end up getting updated when the stats are. I personally feel its better we have no date at all rather than the very likely possibility we give an incorrect date. -DJSasso (talk) 13:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I get that, you have a valid point, but it is not good if readers look at article in late february and stats not updated since new years. Then they could see "player X scored 15 goals" but in fact he has scored 28 as of the current date. Then it is incorrect stats if we dont say when it was last updated, because it was correct that date. QED237 (talk) 14:04, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

And as I have seen all over wikipedia, hidden comments helps. You could have hidden comments at the stats parameters telling people to also update the updated parameter. When season is over updated-parameter could be removed from infoboxes as it is no longer needed. QED237 (talk) 14:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. Qed237, DJSasso seems to oppose this change, and therefor I'm deactivating the request until there is a consensus to go forward. Good luck! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 18:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 4 November 2016

Plus/minus leader should be above PIMleader field. The main reason for this request is because on every hockey-related website +/– leader is mentioned before PIM leader, while here it's the opposite. Template's documentation also uses this format, but the template itself has these places mixed up.

It currently looks like this:

• {{#if:{{{PIMLeader|}}}| ! [[Penalty (ice hockey)|Penalties in minutes]] {{!}} style="vertical-align:middle;" {{!}} {{{PIMLeader|}}}}} |-

and

• {{#if:{{{PlusMinusLeader|}}}| ! [[Plus/minus]] {{!}} style="vertical-align:middle;" {{!}} {{{PlusMinusLeader|}}}}} |-

While I propose that it should be changed to this:

• {{#if:{{{PlusMinusLeader|}}}| ! [[Plus/minus]] {{!}} style="vertical-align:middle;" {{!}} {{{PlusMinusLeader|}}}}} |-

and

• {{#if:{{{PIMLeader|}}}| ! [[Penalty (ice hockey)|Penalties in minutes]] {{!}} style="vertical-align:middle;" {{!}} {{{PIMLeader|}}}}} |-

This might have been done intentionally or not, but the template and its documentation should use the same format. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:30, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Not sure if it is one way or the other intentionally, my only thought is it could be going alphabetically for those two fields. As for the documentation, it is just a listing of the fields, it doesn't reflect how it is supposed to look when displayed. Could you give a website example with an infobox that is in the order you indicate? I am not sure I have ever seen a website with an infobox with PIMS or +/- in it. An infobox of course being different than just a table of stats. -DJSasso (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't matter in what order you list things in the infobox, but it always shows the opposite from what's shown in the template's documentation. As for example, NHL's website] is the best example (in order) – G, A, Pts, +/– and then PIM. It's always been that way and don't understand why places are switched in the template. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Partly done: - I've updated the doc so that it reflects what is done in the template. If, as you say, the order of the infobox itself doesn't matter, then I'll be closing the edit request. Primefac (talk) 14:31, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

What I wanted to be done is that the infobox would reflect the order of statistics as seen in NHL's website. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:37, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Yeah my point was this isn't a stats table. Its just a listing of leaders. So matching a stats table isn't really the same thing. I'd actually go so far as to say if anything we should probably list all of them (not just the two mentioned here) in alphabetical order. But I don't think its super important either way. I am mostly just pointing out a stats table and listing leaders are two different things and totally don't have to be consistent. -DJSasso (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

This isn't a stats table, but mixing parameters in the template and its documentation is silly. Those two fields are mixed and that should be fixed. In addition, +/– stat is more important than PIM and should be above. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:29, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

They were fixed, and more important is subjective. -DJSasso (talk) 12:43, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Copyedit request

Can someone please copyedit this template, so that "Winners", "Champions", and "Information" is lower-case where it's not first in an expression?

Thanks.

HandsomeFella (talk) 20:49, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Undone: This request has been undone. Request moved to Template_talk:Infobox_ice_hockey_team_season#Copyedit_request. Primefac (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)