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Draft
editIs there a reason why this is formatted differently? American football and ice hockey infoboxes don't format the draft this way. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
- And neither of those is formatted like the other either. The basketball way shows the relevant info (year, round, pick, draft team) and is concise. If we wanted a different format to show that info, great. I would not recommend or support dropping the round (as hockey does) or draft team (as football does) Rikster2 (talk) 14:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to keep all the four key factors (year, round, pick, team). I'm not sure we need a change but, I do think the NBA's and NFL's format looks better than the NHL. On a related note, I would like to suggest to not mark the player "Undrafted" unless he decleared for the draft or there are sources mentioning that he wasn't drafted. Alvaldi (talk) 18:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree on "undrafted." players are eligible for exactly one draft in their lives so it is notable that they were not selected, especially if they end up playing in the league that didn't draft them (the filed is used for other leagues beyond the NBA, such as the Philippine Basketball Association). Rikster2 (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- For some random player who never played in the NBA and no sources mention him in relations with the draft or the league, for instance Kostas Tsartsaris, then that field is not needed as the infobox is to summarize key facts about the page's subject. However, for someone like Lenny Cooke for example, it should be used because even though he wasn't drafted and didn't play in the NBA, he declared for the draft. Alvaldi (talk) 16:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's a bigger deal for Americans as their "domestic" league, but US sources undoubtedly will mention it if they play in the G League or overseas. It used to be that college seniors were automatically entered in the draft, but COVID and NCAA giving extra eligibility made the NBA require seniors declare. But presumably that reverts back eventually. International players now seem to be eligible once they're 22—don't need to declare. For those players, I can see how it might be trivial if no source ever talked about them as an NBA prospect. —Bagumba (talk) 17:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- For some random player who never played in the NBA and no sources mention him in relations with the draft or the league, for instance Kostas Tsartsaris, then that field is not needed as the infobox is to summarize key facts about the page's subject. However, for someone like Lenny Cooke for example, it should be used because even though he wasn't drafted and didn't play in the NBA, he declared for the draft. Alvaldi (talk) 16:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree on "undrafted." players are eligible for exactly one draft in their lives so it is notable that they were not selected, especially if they end up playing in the league that didn't draft them (the filed is used for other leagues beyond the NBA, such as the Philippine Basketball Association). Rikster2 (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to keep all the four key factors (year, round, pick, team). I'm not sure we need a change but, I do think the NBA's and NFL's format looks better than the NHL. On a related note, I would like to suggest to not mark the player "Undrafted" unless he decleared for the draft or there are sources mentioning that he wasn't drafted. Alvaldi (talk) 18:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Native name
editSuggesting to include | native_name | native_name_lang options from the mother template, as currently, <br> is used with the name parameter when a person is from a non-Latin using country. Respublik (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Nationality
editThis field is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#For sportspeople. -- Beland (talk) 03:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I vote we just eliminate the field from the basketball biography infobox. It’s not used in cases where the birth country is the same anyway. The hullabaloo about it is just another case of overreach from those who desire “one size fits all” across WP subjects and is not worth the hassle. Rikster2 (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, people trivially add "French" to Joel Embiid, though his notability is not associated with being Franch. On the other, Dominique Wilkins was born in France (U.S. military parents), but is American, which would be lost without some field, even if not labelled "Nationality". —Bagumba (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- So? This can all be discussed in the lede/prose of the article. If there is to be controversy about something as straightforward as national team participation then it is more trouble than it is worth Rikster2 (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ideally, the lead captures most of the lead. But yeah, drive-by editors mess with infobox fields more than they do prose. So, that's the bright side if it goes. —Bagumba (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- So? This can all be discussed in the lede/prose of the article. If there is to be controversy about something as straightforward as national team participation then it is more trouble than it is worth Rikster2 (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, people trivially add "French" to Joel Embiid, though his notability is not associated with being Franch. On the other, Dominique Wilkins was born in France (U.S. military parents), but is American, which would be lost without some field, even if not labelled "Nationality". —Bagumba (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pull BBR WNBA links from Wikidata
editThis infobox should pull the Basketball Reference links for WNBA players from Wikidata like it does for NBA players. There are still a lot of WNBA players with these links missing. Pulling from Wikidata would be a lot faster than adding them manually. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Seems uncontroversial as it's already done for NBA. —Bagumba (talk) 04:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Alignment display of career history
edit@Frietjes: I see that you implemented Module:Sports career to handle a person's team history. It seems that the display has different alignments: left aligned for desktop and center for mobile. Can that be made left aligned for both? —Bagumba (talk) 06:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Bagumba, yes, I have added explicit left alignment. Frietjes (talk) 14:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Frietjes. —Bagumba (talk) 15:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)