Template talk:Infobox academic
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Adding ORCID numbers
editHi, I was wondering what people would think about adding ORCID numbers to this infobox? They are standarised unique numbers for individual authors and might help readers identify work better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamzze (talk • contribs) 19:14, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Code formatting problems for thesis link
editNot sure why the thesis link inside the {{Infobox academic}} template is not displaying correctly for Ty Seidule but seems to work when the {{Infobox academic}} template is embedded inside another template when used in Carol T. Christ. -- 64.202.138.67 (talk) 02:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- The title and url were reversed. Fixed now. MB 03:44, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding my stupid error (which I should have spotted in the first place if I weren't tired at that time of the edit) and for also fixing the problem. -- 64.202.138.67 (talk) 21:25, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Request to remove unsupported parameters
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When editing an article containing {{Infobox academic}} such as Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, we see errors stating Preview warning: Page using Template:Infobox person with unknown empty parameter "denomination", "salary", "weight" even if those parameters are not used in the article. Could someone please remove these unsupported parameters from {{Infobox academic}} to remove these errors? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Izno: Thank you for removing these (and many more) parameters! GoingBatty (talk) 15:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Other advisors
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The contents of the academic_advisors
field normally appear alongside the label "Academic advisors"; however, when the field is used alongside the doctoral_advisor
field, it uses the label "Other academic advisors" with a non-breaking space after the word "Other". In most use cases, this has the unfortunate side effect of substantially increasing the width of the label column and decreasing the width of the content column. While the effect of this may seem minor in theory, in practice this frequently results in numerous additional line breaks in the infobox, substantially increasing the infobox's length.
To avoid this, I would suggest that rather than using the label "Other[
]academic advisors" when the field is used alongside doctoral_advisor
, we instead use the label "Other advisors" in such cases. As the field normally appears under the heading "Academic background", this label would be no less precise than the existing one. And the fact that we are referring specifically to academic advisors is further reinforced by the fact that the label would only appear when immediately followed by the doctoral_advisor
field. 207.161.86.162 (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Can you show some examples of this problem? I finally found Thomas Nagel, where the two parameters are used together, but my browser does not show this problem in that case. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 04:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thomas Nagel was what prompted me to suggest this. It's far from the most extreme example I've seen, but I count the addition of seven line breaks[a] and the loss of one line break (as the doctoral advisor label never needs to wrap when the academic advisors field is present) for a net addition of six line breaks. I've posted the infobox with and without the academic advisors field in the collapsed boxes below.
- {{Infobox academic}} already has a tendency to be on the long side, so the addition of six lines makes a difference (and, in this case, amounts to a 16% increase in the number of lines in the infobox, excluding headings and the image). And the effect has been even more pronounced in articles I have come across in the past, particularly articles with a significant number of names in the influences and influenced fields.
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- 207.161.86.162 (talk) 05:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Done: yes, I see that does make a difference. I made the change in the sandbox and then added Nagel's ibox to the testcases page. Made it easier to see the benefit in your edit. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 07:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Paine Ellsworth! 207.161.86.162 (talk) 08:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- It's my pleasure! Paine 08:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Paine Ellsworth! 207.161.86.162 (talk) 08:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Done: yes, I see that does make a difference. I made the change in the sandbox and then added Nagel's ibox to the testcases page. Made it easier to see the benefit in your edit. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 07:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- 207.161.86.162 (talk) 05:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Notes
- ^ Namely, one in the alma mater field, one in the institutions field, one in the doctoral students field, three in the notable works field, and one in the notable ideas field.
burial_place
editI have almost emptied Pages using infobox academic with unknown parameters. The few remaining articles need |burial_place=
and/or |resting_place=
. Since this is a standard parameter of {{infobox person}}
, it should be available for academics just like most other bios. Frietjes or Jonesey (or anyone else), could you please add this. MB 03:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- okay, added. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Award parameter
editRelevant and related discussion at Template talk:Infobox scientist#Award parameter. Skjoldbro (talk) 16:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding a parameter for "Published books"
editIt is better to added a parameter for the published books of an academician. Thanks, Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Fully wrap Infobox person?
editIn the sandbox, I have a version of the template that uses Module:Template wrapper, which allows any parameter in {{Infobox person}} to also be accepted here, while also accepting all existing parameters to this template. The downside is that all error checking is now handled by {{Infobox person}}, so parameter errors will show up in Category:Pages using infobox person with unknown parameters.
What do editors think? Should I make the sandbox template go live? — hike395 (talk) 05:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Done --- I fixed it so that errors will show up in Category:Pages using infobox academic with unknown parameters. — hike395 (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
H-index and Citations
editCan H-index and Citation (as in citation count) parameters be added to this Infobox? KD HU (talk) 15:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Removing the Academic background divider
editThe Academic background divider is often a bit obstructive for the many articles which have no other info that fits under that section besides education/alma mater, so it ends up pushing the infobox downward and overall looks awkward. Some of the parameters are also confusing and appear contradictory — i.e., Thesis goes under academic background but is thus excluded from Academic work, which sort of implies that a person's thesis is not a part of their academic work.
I think it would be great to have the infobox take on a similar formatting as Template:Infobox scientist, and it will provide the additional benefit of providing some consistency to readers. For example, Template:Infobox scientist actually puts Thesis under Scientific career, which is appropriate, and doesn't have any sort of divider at all; it would be less of an eyesore/confusion if Template:Infobox academic did the same.
I've attempted to replicate an example of what an article would look like without that large infobox divider in the GA John Hart Ely. GuardianH (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Hike395 — I'm looking for some editors to chime in on the above proposal. Since you've worked on the template before, what do you think? GuardianH (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would be in favor of just having one section header, “Academic career” with an ordering of fields that is compatible with {{Infobox scientist}}. I agree having two headers is too crowded. — hike395 (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, and it seems more editors would too. Izno — since you've rearranged and removed some of the template parameters before, what do you think about this proposal? GuardianH (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I made a mockup of a single-header infobox at {{Infobox academic/sandbox}}, see the test cases for a comparison. I took the liberty of removing
|influenced=
and|influencing=
, analogous to {{Infobox scientist}}. If editors object to the removal of those parameters, they can be restored. — hike395 (talk) 12:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- Hike395 It looks absolutely perfect. GuardianH (talk) 15:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hike395 I would just add that alma mater and education parameters be placed above the Academic career section as it is in Template:Infobox scientist. GuardianH (talk) 16:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed You're right, those should be parameters for {{infobox person}}. — hike395 (talk) 19:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The education parameter might also should be added back, as there are quite a few US articles with them that use it and some UK articles use the parameter to denote a subject's secondary education. GuardianH (talk) 19:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both
|education=
and|alma_mater=
are already handled by {{Infobox person}}. No need to add them to this template. See the (newly edited) first test case. — hike395 (talk) 20:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)- hike395 As it is right now, I think most editors would agree wholly with the changes. But there were some qualms with the influences/influenced parameter, and I remember that there was a controversy within the last year or so when it was removed and a cohort of editors lobbied for its conservation. IMO maybe it would be best to leave it in for a separate consensus to determine its inclusion. GuardianH (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done --- restored
|influence*=
at the end of the infobox. — hike395 (talk) 01:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)- hike396 Really great. The new infobox academic format looks good and I would of course support its current implementation. GuardianH (talk) 03:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done --- restored
- hike395 As it is right now, I think most editors would agree wholly with the changes. But there were some qualms with the influences/influenced parameter, and I remember that there was a controversy within the last year or so when it was removed and a cohort of editors lobbied for its conservation. IMO maybe it would be best to leave it in for a separate consensus to determine its inclusion. GuardianH (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both
- The education parameter might also should be added back, as there are quite a few US articles with them that use it and some UK articles use the parameter to denote a subject's secondary education. GuardianH (talk) 19:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed You're right, those should be parameters for {{infobox person}}. — hike395 (talk) 19:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hike395 I would just add that alma mater and education parameters be placed above the Academic career section as it is in Template:Infobox scientist. GuardianH (talk) 16:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hike395 It looks absolutely perfect. GuardianH (talk) 15:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I made a mockup of a single-header infobox at {{Infobox academic/sandbox}}, see the test cases for a comparison. I took the liberty of removing
- I agree, and it seems more editors would too. Izno — since you've rearranged and removed some of the template parameters before, what do you think about this proposal? GuardianH (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would be in favor of just having one section header, “Academic career” with an ordering of fields that is compatible with {{Infobox scientist}}. I agree having two headers is too crowded. — hike395 (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Implemented --- Since the discussion has died out, I updated the main template from the sandbox. — hike395 (talk) 04:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)