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Request: {{cleanup-link rot}}

How about {{cleanup-link rot}}? I'm starting to do some new page patrolling, and frequently find articles in need of the Article Issues template that have need for cleanup-link rot as well (as oftentimes links to sources are quickly thrown together without proper formatting). Thanks --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 14:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This should be added. Too many articles do not have their references in proper format.--EclipseSSD (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Request: {{Images needed}}

May we discuss adding {{Images needed}} as a parameter within this template? —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C20:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

There are very few links linking to this one. Are you sure it's not better to handle this alone? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm not sure. It is a relatively new and relatively little-used template, true. Is that sufficient reason not to have it available for use in consolidated presentations of an article's issues? —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C21:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this would be a good one to include. It has far too much potential to be abused. There are few articles that need that kind of tag on them on the article itself, and most projects have their own arguments to tag it for needing an image. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

✗ Not done Magioladitis (talk) 06:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

noinclude and documentation is bleeding out to articles

the noinclude at the end of the template is showing up in the articles - Isubotic (talk) 22:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Request: {{fancruft}}

Add it in as "It may contain too many intricate details with limited enyclopedic interest.", its a somewhat used template. ViperSnake151 01:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done Magioladitis (talk) 06:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphan link

Would it be possible to match the orphan link in this template to the one used in {{Orphan}}? More specifically I'm suggesting the following change:
no other articles [[Special:Whatlinkshere/{{PAGENAME}}|link to this one]].'''
to:
no other articles [{{fullurl:Special:Whatlinkshere|target={{FULLPAGENAMEE}}&namespace=0}} link to it]'''.
The reason I'm suggesting this, is so the link when clicked will only bring up the article namespeace. Any opinions?--Rockfang (talk) 04:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done Magioladitis (talk) 06:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Request: {{uncat}}

It would be very useful to have {{uncat}} incorporated into this template. Foxy Loxy ^Pounce! 02:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

✗ Not done Please check previous discussion before requesting. Uncat should be placed at the bottom and articleissues on the top. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Out of date template

Can you please add Template:Out of date to this as well? Ejfetters (talk) 08:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

• Anyone, please? Ejfetters (talk) 08:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done since we already have update. I would prefer if we treat temporal templates differently. I always check this tags and I seldom find the reason of the addition in the talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

BLP unsourced and BLP sources

Would anyone mind if I added {{BLP unsourced}} and {{BLP sources}} to this template? --Amalthea 13:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

As long as they don't cause redundancy, i.e. displaying {{BLP unsourced}} with {{unreferenced}} or {{BLP sources}} with {{refimprove}}. Skomorokh 13:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, good point, thanks, I only would have made sure that Friendly added only the more specific BLP issue. --Amalthea 13:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I've added {{BLP sources}}, {{BLP unsourced}} was already in it, hid the non-BLP versions in case, and made some other cleanup. --Amalthea 09:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Great job. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Advertisement 'issue'

Please could someone change the "It's written like an advertisement" notice to "It is..."? Cycle~ (talk) 03:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)  Done Magioladitis (talk) 07:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Criticism Section

• Please replace /It contains "Criticism" or "Controversy" section(s)/ by /It contains [[Wikipedia:Criticism sections|"Criticism" or "Controversy" section(s)]]/ as in Template:Criticism-section. 89.2.241.2 (talk) 13:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  •  Done, thanks. --Amalthea 13:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Request: {{nofootnotes}} and {{morefootnotes}}

I thought they had already been added. --Ronz (talk) 18:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

No. Check the archives please. These templates are supposed for the bottom of the article and not on the top. I noticed that many people put them wrongly on the top. Maybe we have to need a bot to move them at the bottom. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

When there are multiple issues in an article, I find that linking in the references is often an early step in solving them, hence my request to add them. Upon checking the archives, there's no strong consensus against having it, but I don't think it's important enough to change. --Ronz (talk) 02:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

IMO this template serves us by minimising the space all these templates take, but we can't skip WP:LAYOUT or instructions given on the original templates. This is a very good template for all templates that go on the top. Of course, I would be more happy if we had more people removing templates by fixing issues rather than adding them. Right now there are thousands of forgotten templates all over Wikipedia. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Support: The documentation for {{Citations missing}} explicitly mentions the overlap with {{morefootnotes}} and {{nofootnotes}} and provides a matrix for illustration. Omitting these two as parameters therefore appears to be inconsistent (especially to inexperienced editors like me). I can see the point about templates-on-top and templates-below, but feel that consolidation of templates into this one overrides. As far as I can see WP:LAYOUT mentions maintenance tags only for the lead, and while {{nofootnotes}} suggests to place the template into the reference section, {{More footnotes}} just says into the article. If anything, it appears that {{nofootnotes}} would contradict WP:LAYOUT. Reading the archives, the argument why {{nocats}} should go to the bottom is convincing (this is where the edit is to be made), but the same argument supports the request: footnotes are not added by editing the reference section nor is their absence relevant for the reference section itself. Steipe (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

If Morefotnotes syas different than the nofootnotes then it's a mistake. I still think that many people add nofootnotes and in fact they mean unreferenced. I have seen this happening hundreds of time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Req: intro length wikify

{{editprotected}} Please change text in the intro length parameter in bold ("too long") to include a wikilink to WP:LEAD.

| message    = * Its introduction may be '''[[WP:LEAD|too long]]'''.

Thanks! //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I've linked to Wikipedia:Lead#Length which I think is even better! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Howto replacement stripped of link

It would be beneficial to link the perfectly adequate preexisting text of the "|howto" flag to WP:NOT#HOWTO or something else of the sort per the general style norm shown by other tags to {{Article issues}}. MrZaius^talk 19:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I updated the howto flag according to the original text in {{Howto}}. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick turn-around. MrZaius^talk 16:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Add moreref and morereferences to refimprove

I'd like to see moreref and morereferences as aliases for refimprove — I always get {{refimprove}} itself confused with {{citation style}} for some reason, and have been using {{moreref}} for years. Probably some other people do the same. Fix: replace existing line

| name       = {{{refimprove|}}}

with the line:

| name       = {{{refimprove|{{{moreref|{{{morerefs|{{{morereferences|}}}}}}}}}}}}

Hopefully uncontroversial, since the templates with the same name are already redirected like this. --Closeapple (talk) 02:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)  Done Magioladitis (talk) 08:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

support for {{update}} incomplete?

Support for {{update}} within {{article issues}} seems incomplete (or is it just the documentation) as 'update' can take a text explanation in a similar fashion to 'expert'. Could this please be addressed. Rjwilmsi 22:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Can update take a text? I don't see that in its code. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

OK. I see what you mean. Should we update it? I think the idea was if someone needs something more specific then the original has to be used. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Uncategorized

{{Editprotected}} Any reason why the template doesn't include uncategorized?

Uncategorized

-->{{DatedAI
| name       = {{{uncategorized|}}}
| message    = * It has not been added to any '''[[Wikipedia:Categorization|categories]]'''. Please help out by [[Wikipedia:Categorization FAQ#How do I add an article to a category?|adding categories]] to it so that it can be listed with similar articles.
| cat-date   = Uncategorized from
| cat-undate = Category needed
}}<!--

--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, see the threads above: {{uncat}} is supposed to be placed at the bottom. Amalthea 17:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha! Just so you know, I searched the page first before making the above request, but searched for "uncateg" which didn't find the foreshortened "uncat".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit^[1]. :) Amalthea 19:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

1.^ I assume this has been done to death already?^[2]

        2.^ Well... maybe just a few times:-)

I added something on the page that it's difficult not to see :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Extra line feed

There seems to be an extra line feed being introduced somewhere in this template as can be seen at Id (comic). --Pascal⁶⁶⁶ 17:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. Amalthea 18:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! --Pascal⁶⁶⁶ 04:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Request: {{In popular culture}}

This template should have support for the template:In popular culture issue box. Mintrick (talk) 20:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Request: Refs need links

I don't believe this cleanup template exists yet, but it would be a nice addition here. It would go something like this:

• Its references do not contain external links, making it more difficult to verify the content.

This is a fairly common issue, especially with articles written by experts who don't really know how to use our citation templates. See Micellar liquid chromatography as an example. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 13:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

First, this template should exist as an individual. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Here you go. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. You did a good job creating this template but still don't understand where is this useful and I think it has be populated first. Article issues only merges existing templates. And in fact, not all existing templates but the most important from them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Okey doke. I will go about populating it. Afterwards I will provide some examples so that you and others can populate it as well. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 23:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Here are some examples: a chromatography technique, a bunch of minor planets, and an obscure rugby club. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 00:49, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Request

• I request {{gamecleanup}} be included in the template. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 16:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I would add it but I think we would lose a lot of information in the compact version:

{{DatedAI
| name       = {{{gamecleanup|}}}
| message    = * It may require [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Cleanup|cleanup]] to meet Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|quality standards]] or the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games|Video Games project's]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines|guidelines]].'''
| cat        = All pages needing cleanup
| cat-date   = Cleanup from
}}

What do you think? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

update code to reflect change from "cleanup-restructure" to "reorganize"

Article issues template doesn't recognize the new cleanup-reorganize name. Is there a way to update the code so that it will accept both "restructure" and "reorganize"? --JohnDoe0007 (talk) 09:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done I added with parameters "reorganisation/restructure/organize" (the first is written in British English and the last in American English). The text is "It needs reorganization to meet Wikipedia's quality standards." and adds articles to Category:Wikipedia articles needing reorganization. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Someone has to update the manual. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 10:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It turns out that this template was already there. I just merged the new and the old one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Request Inappropriate tone

Requesting {{Inappropriate tone}} be added. I believe this code could be used:

{{DatedAI
| name       = {{{Inappropriate_tone|}}}
| message    = * This {{{1|article}}}'s '''[[WP:TONE|tone]] or style may not be appropriate for Wikipedia'''. Specific concerns may be found on the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|talk page]]. See Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles|guide to writing better articles]] for suggestions.
| cat        = All articles needing style editing
| cat-date   = Wikipedia articles needing style editing from
| cat-undate = Wikipedia articles needing style editing
}}

--papageno (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

It's already there. Use |tone=. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Request SI

It would be good to have a parameter to add some thing along the lines of "Conversions to SI should be added to this article/section." JIMp _talk·cont 21:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

What's the original template? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

{{metricate}} JIMp _talk·cont 07:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

There are so few tranclusions of this one. Moreovet, Lightbot used to convert units regularly. I would prefer if we don't implement it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid Lightmouse and his bot were martyred for trying to improve this place. JIMp _talk·cont 03:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I already asked WP:AWB to implement something similar to Lightbot's job. Adding this template won't help. It's a rarely used one and when it's used the problem is easy to fix. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I s'pose you don't want the template cluttered up with stuff we've got little use for. JIMp _talk·cont 06:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Yew, because otherwise we could just add the whole list of templates having tenths of unused or rarely used parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Fix for the expert tag

{{editprotected}}

From what I can see, this suggestion is uncontroversial. If the expert parameter is set to a date or anything other than "y", and such a WikiProject or portal does not exist (the template assumes "Chess", not "Wikipedia:WikiProject Chess", for example), the template produces "It is in need of attention from an expert on the subject. may be able to help recruit one." See for example Sedation dentistry.

I suggest that the part

may be able to help recruit one.

be replaced with

{{#ifexpr:{{#ifexist:Wikipedia:WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{expert}}}}}|1|0}} or {{#ifexist:Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{expert}}}}}|1|0}}|may be able to help recruit one.}}

In the cases mentioned above, this will remove "may be able to help recruit one.", as it only displays that text when the WikiProject or the portal exists. There should be a space before and after this snippet. Iceblock (talk) 19:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Done, but in a different way. --- RockMFR 23:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

expert tag

The internal expert tag comes out munged when used as an element of the article issues template. THF (talk) 11:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you have an example? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Ephemeris might have an example of what the OP means: whatever is put as the value for the expert parameter appears to be ignored and one gets only: "It is in need of attention from an expert on the subject. may be able to help recruit one." Here is what {{Multiple issues|expert=topic}} becomes:

{{Multiple issues|expert=topic}}

84user (talk) 14:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

So my opinion is in the case you need that many details, use the original template. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I noticed the bug in this template, and have made a suggestion at User:Iceblock/Article issues. This suggestion only contains the code for "expert needed". It supports two WikiProjects (expert= and expert2=) and places the page in Category:Uncategorized articles needing expert attention. Currently both this and Category:Miscellaneous articles needing expert attention exist. I suggest we only have one such category. If the specified WikiProject exists, but no corresponding maintenance category, the template places the page in Category:Articles needing expert attention for which a category can be created. And, if no WikiProject is specified, the "may be able to help recruit one." is hidden. Iceblock (talk) 18:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Disregard the preceding post. The issue presented by the OP is now fixed. See #Fix for the expert tag below and this diff. Iceblock (talk) 09:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Need Wiki Link to Single-Issue Tag

This article states, "Don't use this template for a single issue. Use the appropriate single-issue tag instead." As a newbie, I can't find the documentation for a single-issue tag (Alice 19th has no references). Would someone please find the appropriate documentation and put a wiki link in that list? It's under Usage > Common Problems. Thanks! Geekdiva (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

After I wrote this, I realized I was searching for "single-issue box" instead of "single-issue tag" and I found Template:Cleanup_tags. Would someone please add a link to this page in Common Problems? Thanks! Geekdiva (talk) 22:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Try adding {{unref}} -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! That's a big help to my specific situation. If an administrator would edit Template:Article issues to include a link to Template:Cleanup tags, other newbies wouldn't get as confused. Geekdiva (talk) 00:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

On more tip: The template is locked but the documentation is not. Everyone can edit the documentation, so I am leaving this task to you as an exercise. :) Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Request: roughtranslation

Could you please modify the text of roughtranslation from:

{{DatedAI
| name       = {{{roughtranslation|}}}
| message    = * It needs '''enhancing the [[WP:PNT|translation]]''' to [[Wikipedia:Good article|be goodlooking]].
| cat-date   = Rough translations from
| cat-undate = Rough translations
}}

to

{{DatedAI
| name       = {{{roughtranslation|}}}
| message    = * It needs an '''enhanced [[WP:PNT|translation]]'''.
| cat        = Rough translations 
}}

1. The wording on the message should be improved.
2. The template does not have date categories. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done Magioladitis (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Roughtranslation doesn't work at all, whatsoever

{{Multiple issues|rewrite = August 2009| roughtranslation = August 2009}}

produces--{{Multiple issues|category=no| rewrite = August 2009| roughtranslation = August 2009}} Please see my edit. The above text should have included roughtranslation. If you put it in, the Template will simply ignore it. It never shows up? Please fix?Prapsnot (talk) 12:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Request

• I request {{copypaste}} be added to this template. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 16:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Misuse of this template

This template has been misused in conjunction with the application "Friendly" to create a drive-by multiple issue template as a badge of dishonor, requiring reverts to engage talk, and thus potentially contributes to edit-warring rather than the stated goal of consolidating existing cleanup templates in direct contravention of the spirit of the guideline: "if an article has many problems, please consider tagging only the most important problems. A very lengthy list is often less helpful than a shorter one. Remember that tags are not intended as a badge of shame." Please point out the guideline here to instruct in the proper use of the template. ClaudeReigns (talk) 11:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the third separate place you've made this point (WT:FRIENDLY, WT:TC): are you planning on having a centralised discussion, or just broadcasting? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd rather discuss my point instead of my communication strategy. I didn't notice a specific suggestion for consolidating the discussion, nor should it necessicarily be so because of the nature of the topic. Maybe there should be some discussion at WP:CIVIL as well. The course of this discussion makes me more inclined to think this template may need a hard look. Aren't templates susceptible to abuse subject to deletion? Yes, my opinion has definitely been influenced. Mostly because it doesn't seem like I've found a response so far which suggests an understanding of the type of culture it takes to make Wikipedia work most smoothly. Perhaps a diversity of opinions will create a more acceptable consensus. That's what I'm hoping.

Does someone care to address the point in and of itself? ClaudeReigns (talk) 13:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but your point is pointless. The template is being used in an appropriate fashion. Your disliking templates and then reverting rather than actually addressing the issues is what is not appropriate. People to do not tag articles purely as a "badge of shame" but to indicate noted problems with the article. Fix the problems, then you can remove the template, rather than complaining about people actually pointing them out. And no, this template isn't being abused nor subject for deletion. If you aren't getting the responses you want, perhaps you should realize you likely are not going to. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

At least your response is on-topic, and I appreciate that. You still haven't shown an understanding of the reason the quoted language was added to the guideline, which is regrettable. You also assume using a template alone suffices to point out a problem clearly, and that doing it in laundry list fashion is even more efficacious. You further make the sweeping claim "this template is not being abused". I know, I know, you clicked "What links here" and read each and every article to make sure that all the points were accurate. Rather than convince me that my tactic of deletion and proposed deletion is inappropriate, you have reinforced the proof that its use creates more engagement. Justification for edits, including templates, may always be demanded of editors.

BTW, your post contained an error in diction. Does my saying so without detail help you correct your diction going forward? Do you even know to which error I refer? Would it help you further if I made further claims about the errors of your post without going into detail? Of course, we're not here to make better posts; we're here to make better articles. All the same, the nature of mere criticism contrasts clearly with constructive criticism; one is snarky and one actually assists. So long as folks continue to use the template as a Big Red Pen, the rest of us are free to reveal as mistaken the notion that it's permanent ink. It ain't. ClaudeReigns (talk) 14:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's being misused enough to be honest. Can we not make the tag larger? Also, perhaps we could add the following:

• "readable" This article appears too professional, and is in need of more gratuitous inline tags to make it less readable
• "inoffensive" There is not enough information here to start a really good flame war. Please add some and go onto the Talk: page at once and argue over some strained POV issue
• "signaltonoisetoohigh" This page contains too much information, at the expense of Wikipedia tags. Please demand some more citations. Do not, under any circumstances, remove things you believe are false, just demand citations instead.
• "noncliquecompliant" While this page appears to be interesting and well formed, please add some tags, please, 'cos Wikipedia editors who have been here for too long have forgotten that the primary purpose of Wikipedia is to create an informative encyclopedia, and have instead become obsessed with inserting inline criticism into articles.

I think these fixes should help with the tag a lot. Also if we can change that damned { { cn } } to expand to something like "[BIG EXCLAMATION MARK] The previous word was not backed up with a link to some website whose reliability we can have a big argument over on the Talk: page", then that would be great. --66.149.58.8 (talk) 12:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)