Template talk:Pan-African

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This Template is very badly designed. I came here from the page on African Philosophy, on which the template is included. The template contains some links relevant to African philosophy, like, e.g. a link to Cheikh Anta Diop. Since the main contains a link to the article about him already, ther is no need to have a second reference in the template. On the other hand, the template contains links to articles irrelevant to the topic of African Philosophy. There should not be, for example, a link from the African Philosophy article to the Kwanzaa article since Kwanzaa is neither an African thing (it is a part of Afroamerican culture, not of African culture) nor is it a philosophical topic. So why should this link be there. The informativeness of Wikipedia depends to a great deal on the relevance of the links. So for each article containing this template, the links are either redundant because they should be in the main article already or they are irrelevant. As a result, all of these links should be removed from the template. If these things are relevant for panafricanism, the should be referenced from the panafricanism artilce and that would be enough. Therefore, I have removed all of these links from the template. This template in its current form is a prime example of what a template should not be. Please note that this is a structural argument, saying nothing about the value of panafricanism. It would apply as well to any other template of this type. Nannus 19:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

hm, yes, and it is perfectly unclear why "Communism" and "Socialism" are linked. There is also {{Pan-Africanism}}, and it is unclear why we should clutter articles with two templates with the same scope. --dab (𒁳) 19:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Kwanzaa, although a very marginal culture and holiday in America, is still Pan-African and part of the growth of its diaspora. Perhaps for that reason alone it should be left. If it is removed, it should be done so for its marginality, not for its seemingly disconnect with Pan-Africanism.

Someone has thrown a link up to Hugo Chavez, but Chavez is not a Pan-African thinker, despite his support of national liberation movements in Africa.

Communism and Socialism could be dropped, but its there for the very fact that there has always been tremendous overlap in Pan-African struggles (See George Padmore, C.L.R. James, and the International African Service Bureau).

"occident" western culture and pan european are the same thing. Western culture is a terms which used to refer to cultures of european. "orient" eastern culture, is very broadly to the various cultures, social structures and philosophical systems of "the east". United States Canada Australia and New Zealand are not in european but they embrace traditional european culture over the native cultures like languages and folk culture, which is why they are seen as the west. There is no term to refer to culture of african orgins but pre colonial african cultures did survive to the americanas especially in places like Brazil and Cuba. Alot of what is consider western culture in United states is really mix of African and European orgins. Example polyrythms and improvistion in western music like jazz which differ with harmonic and written cassical music. both genre use western instruments but have diffrent sounds. There much more examples i can use but my point is pan african should be about embrancing african orgin ideals that will inclue afroamerican and the rest of the african diaspora. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Draethegreat (talk • contribs) 18:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

KB —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krisnabest (talk • contribs) 16:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Only add notable Pan-Africanist to this section

I think we can agree that we cannot add every single Pan-Africanist. Esp those who are only locally known for minor aspects of Pan-Africanism. Significant Pan-Africanist like Nkrumah, Padmore, Malcolm, Dubois are significant and notable. Someone with a minor record in Pan-Africanism cannot be added for obvious reasons.

I swore I wrote the above and am back to add more. NOTABLE. means someone who is known for a Pan-African perspective, not a loose association or a reference. Garvey, Nkrumah, etc, Gaddafi, with core Pan-African activities. Wallace is not one of these people. Some nigeria writer is not notable enough also.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 05:56, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Redesign

Lets drop the links to ethnicities and add more links to topics about Pan-Africanism