Template talk:Public art in Boston

Alphabetical

Since the 'Statue of' is being used here (thanks for a good template, Bostonians should enjoy it), might the 'Statue of...' listings be better alphabetized by last name instead of first, for ease of identification? Randy Kryn (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Randy Kryn, I'm not opposed. We might even have a subsection called "Statues", sorted by last name, to remove the many mentions of "Statue of..." from the template. Not sure if their template improvements are listed anywhere, but User:Ham II has a way of making these art templates much more presentable! :) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:54, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Or "Statues of...", as there are named statues as well. Or just the unitalicized names with 'Statue of" in the hidden link so everything is in one section (I haven't looked, are some of the works paintings or other artworks besides Statues? If not then the entire section could be named 'Statues' or 'Sculptures'. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:58, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer: Thanks for the ping; I've now separated the portrait statues from the other works and arranged them in alphabetical order by surname – good suggestions both. There could be an argument for changing the heading "Statues" to "Portrait statues" if anyone feels strongly about it. I think Wikipedia:WikiProject Public Art/Showcase#Public art navboxes and lists could ultimately serve as the list of improved navboxes... Ham II (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Ham II, Yes, of course! Thanks for your improvements to this template and for the link as a reminder. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:56, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ham II: Hope you don't mind this adjustment. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:58, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: What do you think? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:10, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Looking good. I did a sample tweek using Ham II's language 'Portrait statues', and 'Works' to 'Statues and Memorials' (lower case 'memorials'?) as almost all of the entries are statues. Seem okay? Randy Kryn (talk) 19:29, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Randy Kryn, I don't have a problem with this for now, but I plan on creating many more stubs for public artworks and I have a feeling some of them will not be memorials specifically. Even Echo of the Waves , which I added just today, is not really a memorial or statue. So, I might change back to "Works" when appropriate. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:33, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Work in progress. Maybe a separate Memorial section? Or other sections as the template grows. From its description Echo seems to be a sculpture, and the only reason I added 'Memorials' is because of that glass structure thing which doesn't seem like a sculpture (but it probably is). The only other section I can think of offhand are 'Paintings' which might exist as 'Murals'. I don't think buildings are considered works of art for visual arts templates, although that MIT center that the North American conference is being held in sounds like a walk-through work of art. Let's call template guru TonyTheTiger into the mix. Nice work so far, it's looking good. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Randy Kryn, Thanks. Sure, Echo is a sculpture, but not really a statue or memorial (as the current heading title suggests). To me, "Artworks" or simply "Works" is more general and inclusive. I have seen "Memorials" used as a subsection heading title on some of the templates improved by User:Ham II. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:02, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Thought that 'Statues' and 'Sculptures' were the same thing on Wikipedia (I had usually used 'Sculpture' before). 'Works' in this case would work if Ham II's suggestion of 'Portrait sculptures' sticks as a section heading, which would set those aside as a class of sculpture. My favorite entry on the template is Appeal to the Great Spirit, which is one of Boston's treasures. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Randy Kryn, I'm fine keeping "Portrait statues". Remember, all statues are sculptures, but not all sculptures are statues. :p Thanks for changing back to "Works". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:25, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• Randy Kryn, what issue needs my attention?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:15, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

• Hi TonyTheTiger, the discussion above was about how to format the template, and I thought of you because of your extensive template creations. Seems to be resolved though, unless you have some ideas for the template. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)