Template talk:Public art in London

Murals

What about adding a section on murals – do we have any eligible articles? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:50, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

George VI and Queen Elizabeth Memorial

Should George VI and Queen Elizabeth Memorial be listed as a single entry in the navbox, or, should this article be separated into two? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

I thought you might pick up on this! I've separated them as the two statues are of different dates, but I don't feel too strongly about this if you'd rather change it. We could even have it both ways, with the statues listed individually as well as the memorial. Ham (talk) 11:50, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Should statues that are indoors be considered "public art?

I think we should consider including both Statue of Winston Churchill, Palace of Westminster and Statue of Margaret Thatcher, Palace of Westminster to the template since they both have their own individual articles, and meet what I consider the definition to be "public art" even though they are technically indoors.Fireflyfanboy (talk) 17:42, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I think they would have to be in a place that is frequented by the public ordinarily, other than for the purpose of admiring art or architecture etc. Otherwise any work of art displayed in a free museum would count, which isn't what we want. W. P. Uzer (talk) 18:08, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I concur, I think that logic is very sound and would allow for statues of prominent people that happen to be indoors, like the Statue of Winston Churchill, Palace of Westminster and Statue of Margaret Thatcher, Palace of Westminster both are.Fireflyfanboy (talk) 00:53, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure the Palace of Westminster is really a public place, though. Access is very restricted. It's not like a shopping mall, say. W. P. Uzer (talk) 07:21, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

A shopping mall for lobbyists, surely. I don't think it is a public place either. Let's remove them. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I bet to differ, members of the general public are free to tour, access is hardly that restricted.Fireflyfanboy (talk) 17:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Access is still restricted though, unlike the rest of the artworks which are in a publically accessible place at all times. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 11:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Part of the problem is that the definition of public art is quite woolly, but my dividing line puts these statues as not public art. I have doubts about whether the sculptures in Kew Gardens are really public art and I think they have a much stronger case. JMiall₰ 19:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm the editor who removed these originally, and I don't feel that there's anything to add to the arguments already made here by others: the statues are indoors in a not-too-accessible place. Ham II (talk) 09:25, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Chronological order

I've changed my opinion, and now believe that it looks a complete mess to have the statues and memorials etc in chronological order. This isn't apparent to the casual reader of the template. What was the original rationale for this? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 09:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Gareth E Kegg: Generally speaking, I prefer for navboxes to have chronological order as that allows them to do something that categories can't. But as this template is getting very unwieldy I'm not averse to alphabetical order and perhaps surnames (or titles, etc.) only, as with {{Cameron Cabinet}}. I think there's a case for the subgroups of "War memorials" to be chronological instead of the current arrangement‍—‌i.e. Pre-WWI, WWI, WWII and Post-WWII. (Some memorials, like the Cenotaph, would appear in both WWI and WWII.) Ham II (talk) 15:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

That's a brilliantly smart solution. I almost didn't want to raise this because I really appreciate the work you put in here. It does certainly make sense for war memorials to be in chronological order to better reflect history. Thank you once again! Gareth E Kegg (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Joseph Lister Memorial

Joseph Lister Memorial should be added, but I'm not sure where exactly. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:41, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry; I'll do it in a job lot with the remaining blue links here. I just need to add more formatting to those and create their Wikidata items, then I'll add them here. Ham II (talk) 22:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I did add George Canning. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2018

Inclusion of link to statue of Keith Park within template https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Keith_Park,_Waterloo_Place,_London Wilsonjimwilson (talk) 06:27, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: There should be an individual Wikipedia article for the statue of Keith Park to be included in the template. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:09, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Adding Temple Bar Memorial

I feel that the Temple Bar, London#Temple Bar Memorial should be included in the template somewhere but I can't quite figure out where it belongs. Gusfriend (talk) 11:14, 23 February 2022 (UTC)