Template talk:R to diacritic

Edit request on 14 July 2015

A protected redirect, Template:R from name without diacritics, needs a redirect category (rcat) template added and the double redirect defeated. Please modify it as follows:

• from this:

#REDIRECT [[Template:R from title without diacritics]]

{{Redr|to redirect template|protected}}

• to this:

#REDIRECT [[Template:R to diacritics]]

{{Redr|to redirect template|rcon}}

• WHEN YOU COPY & PASTE, PLEASE LEAVE THE SKIPPED LINE BLANK FOR READABILITY.

Template Redr is an alias for the {{This is a redirect}} template, which is used to sort redirects into one or more categories. No protection rcat is needed, and if {{pp-protected}} and/or {{pp-move}} suffice, the This is a redirect template will detect the protection level(s) and categorize the redirect automatically. (Also, the categories will be automatically removed when and if protection is lifted.) Thank you in advance! – Paine  01:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Done — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 04:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Mr. Stradivarius! and Best of Everything to You and Yours! – Paine  04:58, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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For the edit request to update the diacritics rcats and categories, please see this talk page. The text has been generalized to cover all possibilities and especially to include minor planet redirects.  Paine  ^u/c 13:18, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 18 April 2019

{{Documentation}} 2604:6000:100E:85D0:3D8D:80C:FFF4:71A4 (talk) 12:07, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not sure what edit you're proposing. Would you please give some more detail? Deryck C. 13:32, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Template seems weird when combined with different languages

Straightforward: Check this page. Read the beginning when it says To the same page name with diacritics. Understand that Partia Demokratike e Shqiperise and Democratic Party of Albania have no "same" part whatsoever.

Most likely the redirect was a redirect to a redirect Partia Demokratike e Shqiperise → Partia Demokratike e Shqipërisë. When that also became a redirect for Democratic Party of Albania, the double redirect was fixed by making the diacritics-less version a redirect to the English version and in turn making the template seem a bit weird in meaning.

I suspect there are a lot of cases like this where diacritic redirects are merged with the foreign language redirects in the same fashion. Can the template be changed to better accommodate for this phenomenon? - Klein Muçi (talk) 01:13, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

{{R to diacritic}} often targets a translated title to avoid a double redirect. It accepts an optional parameter to name the avoided page, for example: {{R to diacritic|Partia Demokratike e Shqipërisë}}, and will display that title on the redirect page. Certes (talk) 13:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Certes, thank you! I wasn't aware of that parameter. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi, It might be better used with {{R avoided double redirect}}. Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl, truth be told, I have zero experience with the R templates. I just started noticing their existence when I wrote this post. If you think it needs a change, you probably should do it. :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:18, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi, Done. Qwerfjkltalk 06:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl, thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

It might make a good bot task to add {{R avoided double redirect}} (and {{Redirect category shell}}) to redirects lacking them, where this template (or a relative such as {{R from misspelling}}) is used with a parameter naming a redirect to the same target. The task could even be extended to examine bare redirects and add the intermediate title first, as done manually here, but that requires a human to select the best intermediate or at least confirm that the sole option is correct, possibly via AWB. Certes (talk) 11:25, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit request 20 June 2023

Description of suggested change: I have seen this rcat template incorrectly used on redirects that replace a Greek letter with a Latin letter, e.g. a redirect with a Latin A redirecting to a title using a Greek Α. Greek letters do not contain diacritics. The correct rcat to use in that situation appears to be {{R from ASCII-only}}, which applies to all such cases that do not involve diacritics or ligatures.

Can a note be added to the template pointing to these other rcats to try to minimize incorrect categorizations? See below for a suggested addition. An analogous note could be added to {{R to ligature}} and related templates.

Longer term, it may also be worth considering a more specific rcat template be created, like {{R to Greek}} or something, and having these all be subcategories of the broader R from ASCII-only. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Diff:

Do not use this template with redirects to a title with differences that 1) are ligatures (like æ and Œ – use {{R to ligature}} instead), or 2) are other non-ASCII characters that do not include diacritics (like Greek letters – use {{R to ASCII-only}} instead). Mdewman6 (talk) 23:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

 Completed – placed a similar note on the {{R to ligature}} rcat template (semi-protected). P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 14:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: thanks, but we made a minor error. The linked template should be {{R from ASCII-only}} not R to ASCII-only. Mdewman6 (talk) 15:17, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

To editor Mdewman6: why? Are these two templates not "R to..." templates? Switching in the last sentence to "R from...", like you did with [this edit], seems extremely confusing, doesn't it? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 17:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: These rcat templates (R to diacritic, R to ligature) are for redirects typed with 'normal' (ASCII-only) characters, targeted to a page that contains non-ASCII characters (diacritics, ligatures, Greek letters, etc.). So for such redirects where the target does not contain diacritics or ligatures but instead some other non-ASCII character, then the rcat would be R from ASCII-only. In other words, the diacritics/ligature rcats are in reference to the target, where the ASCII-only rcat is in reference to the redirect, so the to vs. from are different. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:16, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Was caught up in my own confusion, I guess. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 18:26, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth:, I was also similarly confused momentarily. Glad we got it straight. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2023 (UTC)