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editConstantine ✍ Good Afternoon, I was actually about to write and ask you to take a look at the template when I saw your 'thank you'. I did some reorganization which should make expansion easier. I also added links for pages that should eventually exist (censori and savi all'eresia as a minimum). If more magistracies are added in the future, they could be divided by authority (e.g. commerce, judiciary, policing, etc.). I'll work some more on the riformatori in the next few days.Venicescapes (talk) 11:53, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Venicescapes. Fine by me, the only quibble I have is whether we can really distinguish "Institutions" from "Magistracies". The various Savi were also magistrates, as were the Ten, the Forty, and even the Doge as supreme magistrate. Constantine ✍ 12:20, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Constantine ✍ That certainly is a valid point. I initially had thought about councils and magistracies. Cappelletti divides the offices between Corpo della Repubblica and Magistrature secondarie. The guide to the Archive uses Supremi organi dello Stato and Consultori in jure. I can look next week at the library to see how Maranini divides them. There's also Guida alle magistrature which is recent. I'll let you know what I find.Venicescapes (talk) 13:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Looking forward to it. The current state, where the principal magistracies are distinguished from the secondary ones, is satisfactory as well, IMO. One might even call the former the "Government" or "Governing bodies" without loss of much accuracy, but I agree we should as far as possible follow the terminology of the relevant scholarship. Constantine ✍ 15:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Constantine ✍ Greetings. I looked at several sources in the Marciana today. Different historians divide the offices of the government differently and with differing terms. One of the sources uses even five categories (organi costituzionali, magistrature penali, magistrature ausiliari, cancelleria, and magistrature minori). I don't think that Wikipedia will ever have so many articles to justify such an extensive categorizing (which would probably only confuse most readers anyway). However, some sort of division seems appropriate to help orient readers, especially if several more articles are eventually added. Most of the sources use just two categories, although the names vary. 'Organs of government' or 'constitutional organs' are often used for the first grouping. I would opt for 'Organs of government' to avoid giving the impression of a written constitution, and I would add 'Principal' to avoid any objection that the list is not 'complete'. The second group could be 'Secondary magistracies' or 'Minor magistracies'.Venicescapes (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Venicescapes, "Principal government organs" and "Minor magistracies" sounds OK to me as well. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 18:28, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Constantine ✍ Greetings. I looked at several sources in the Marciana today. Different historians divide the offices of the government differently and with differing terms. One of the sources uses even five categories (organi costituzionali, magistrature penali, magistrature ausiliari, cancelleria, and magistrature minori). I don't think that Wikipedia will ever have so many articles to justify such an extensive categorizing (which would probably only confuse most readers anyway). However, some sort of division seems appropriate to help orient readers, especially if several more articles are eventually added. Most of the sources use just two categories, although the names vary. 'Organs of government' or 'constitutional organs' are often used for the first grouping. I would opt for 'Organs of government' to avoid giving the impression of a written constitution, and I would add 'Principal' to avoid any objection that the list is not 'complete'. The second group could be 'Secondary magistracies' or 'Minor magistracies'.Venicescapes (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Looking forward to it. The current state, where the principal magistracies are distinguished from the secondary ones, is satisfactory as well, IMO. One might even call the former the "Government" or "Governing bodies" without loss of much accuracy, but I agree we should as far as possible follow the terminology of the relevant scholarship. Constantine ✍ 15:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Constantine ✍ That certainly is a valid point. I initially had thought about councils and magistracies. Cappelletti divides the offices between Corpo della Repubblica and Magistrature secondarie. The guide to the Archive uses Supremi organi dello Stato and Consultori in jure. I can look next week at the library to see how Maranini divides them. There's also Guida alle magistrature which is recent. I'll let you know what I find.Venicescapes (talk) 13:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)