Template talk:S-line/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Template-protected edit request on 10 April 2019

Please replace {{Esoteric}} [[Category:Rail transport succession templates]] with {{documentation}}. I have copied the template and the category over to the newly created doc page, and this would allow documentation to be created for this esoteric template by non-template-editors. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:33, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Please note this is at Template:S-line/side cell, which has its talk page redirected here. – bradv🍁 05:33, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Question

How does the template generate the link to the station page without the full title?
For example, on the Essen Stadtbahn pages, the succession box for Altenessen Mitte station just has:
{{s-line|system=VRR|line=U11|previous=Kaiser-Wilhelm-Park|next=Karlsplatz}}.
But going from Altenessen Mitte station via the succession box to Karlsplatz station links through the redirect Karlsplatz (VRR); and going back is through the redirect Altenessen Mitte (VRR). it's the same to and from the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Park station page.
How does that work? Moonraker12 (talk) 23:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Moonraker12: It uses {{VRR stations}}, in which the #default option is to create a piped link with " (VRR)" appended to the name. In general, you need to examine Template:[system] stations to find out which articles will be linked. Certes (talk) 10:48, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Certes:: Aah! Templates are a bit of a closed book to me; I just wondered if there was an easy way to link stations directly, without going through the redirect. Anyway, thanks for that. Moonraker12 (talk) 22:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Moonraker12: It's a double-edged sword. Using templates keeps everything consistent but can add complexity for editors unfamiliar with this area. The template documentation has more details. The disambiguation guide may also be useful even if your work doesn't involve dabs. Certes (talk) 22:38, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Granville station

Some articles on French railway stations (e.g. Vire station) are showing Granville station as the end point; but disambiguation is needed - the correct link would be Granville station (Manche). How do I fix this? The station name doesn't appear in the template call, so I can't disambiguate it there; where is it stored? Colonies Chris (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Colonies Chris: Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/Guide#Railway stations covers this sort of thing. In this case:

• Template:S-line/Intercités right/Norm says {{{type}}, which evaluates to "Granville", so we must add "Granville" to Template:Intercités stations
• Template:S-line/TER Normandie right/PG says "Granville", so we must add "Granville" to Template:TER Normandie stations

Both of those stations templates redirect to {{TER stations}}, so I only needed to add it once. Certes (talk) 11:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting this out, and for the explanation. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

San Fernando station (Pampanga)

Technically the same problem as above. I wanted to link San Fernando station (Pampanga) to the new S-line/S-rail parameters NSCRCIC, NSCRMAN and Airport Limited Express I just created for stations on the North–South Commuter Railway with the first subject being Angeles station, but this template uses [[{{{Name}}} station|{{{Name}}}]] as basis for its links. Therefore it appears as [[San Fernando station (Pampanga)|San Fernando]] when I use the pipe link feature and appears much worse if I use the {{!}} template.

I also followed the help page, but it also doesn't work. Instead of getting the proper link, it ends up in the San Fernando station disambiguation page. How do I fix this? Thank you. Raku Hachijo (talk) 03:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Disregard this message. I already found a fix. I will use use link1 and link2 instead of state1 and state2. Raku Hachijo (talk) 04:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Lowercase "railway" in category names

Please advise how to update the pages which are still populating the former Category:Stations on the Jinshan Railway, which has now been renamed to Category:Stations on the Jinshan railway per Jinshan railway.

The old category seems to be generated by {{S-line|system=CR|line=Jinshan}}. – Fayenatic London 12:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

That category assignment lives in the last section of {{CR lines}}. I have added a custom category assignment, so Shanghai South railway station appears to be properly categorized now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I've added the other two similar cases now. – Fayenatic London 15:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

1,200 untranscluded subpages

Hello, S-line devotees! A couple of us editors have been looking at Wikipedia:Database reports/Unused templates for opportunities to clear some unused maintenance burden out of Template space. If you look on page 2 of that report, you will see about 1,200 untranscluded subpages of Template:S-line. That is about 10% of all untranscluded templates (that are not redirects or stubs or subst-only).

In a 2011 TFD, the consensus was to delete all subpages of Template:S-line that were more than a year old and untranscluded. I wonder if that consensus still applies all these years later, or if there is some reason to keep some or all of these unused templates around. I spot-checked a few of them, and in each case, the template was untranscluded because the S-line left or right template that might have used it was spanning multiple rows, using a single template to point to a station shared by multiple lines.

Your feedback is welcome. I'd rather have a discussion here before starting a possibly contentious TFD that would get people all riled up. I am an experienced template editor and maintainer (who sometimes finds that I am making cleanup fixes to unused template pages when I could be making actual improvements to useful things), but I have little familiarity with this subject area, so I do not have a preconceived notion about the best resolution. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

We're currently pushing towards using Template:Adjacent stations instead, these can all be deleted. (see table below) Cards84664 13:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

# of articles	12-7-20	2-20-21	6-5-21	8-2-21	10-10-21
Template:S-line	18335	18764	18902	18351	18471
Template:Adjacent stations	12386	12977	13793	14687	15121

Thanks. Now posted at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 October 15#Template:S-line/ARZC left/main and 1,132 other untranscluded subpages of Template:S-line. I don't know of a reasonable way to notify the editors of these 1,133 nominated templates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Cards84664, has there been a formal discussion somewhere to deprecate {{S-line}} subtemplates in favor of {{Adjacent stations}}? I have no position either way, but it seems like the project is going that way, and sometimes things get messy when there is not a discussion that can be linked to. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Not entirely sure, there is some mention of the intent in Archive 1 of the new module's talk page, but not on a formal scale. This is mainly a cosmetic update on the editing side, since there's little to no visual difference on the viewing side. I can at least tell you that editing one station module is easier than editing the five minimum templates to achieve the same output: colors, lines, stations, left-terminus, right-terminus. Cards84664 02:40, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Note I didn't switch to Adjacent stations until mid-2019, but I do think it is a vast improvement over s-line. Cards84664 02:56, 10 January 2022 (UTC)