Template talk:Terriers

Is there some recognized registry that defines four groups of terriers in five groups like this? (Hunting / Fighting / Companion-Toy / Working)

Typically, terrier people only talk about long legged and short legged terriers.

Also, how were the groupings decided upon? Why is a Black and Tan a "hunting" and not a "working" terrier? How did miniature fox arrive in the companion/toy grouping? Why isn't the Amstaff ("the nursemaid dog" of WWI) in the Companion group? What disallows a Hunting terrier from being a Working terrier, when hunting is its "work"?

I don't want to say the groupings are completely random nonsense until I see how it is documented, but it does look like completely random nonsense.

Info from registries

OK, I looked, I cannot find any reputable, major multi-breed kennel clubs that subdivide terriers in this manner (Hunting / Fighting / Companion-Toy / Working) although I have not looked at negligibly small registries or the puppy mill and for-pay 'registries' where you can pretty much 'register' anything anyway you want.

I also do not find any recognized authority on terriers that divides them up this way.

Here are relevant links:

Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI): has a Terrier Group; sections "Large and medium-sized Terriers", "Small-sized Terriers", "Bull type Terriers", "Toy Terriers". (http://www.fci.be/nomenclatures.asp?lang=en&sel=0)

The Kennel Club (Kennel Club UK): has a Terrier Group, does not subdivide terriers into categories. "The Kennel Club was founded in 1873 and is the governing body of dogs in the United Kingdom."(http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/1199)

American Kennel Club: has a Terrier Group, does not subdivide terriers into categories.(http://www.akc.org/breeds/terrier_group.cfm). AKC is the largest and second oldest purebred dog registry in the world. http://www.akc.org/press_center/facts_stats.cfm?page=all_about_AKC

United Kennel Club (UKC): has a Terrier Group, does not subdivide terriers into categories. (http://mail.ukcdogs.com/ukcweb.nsf/96504b0ba215c6748525703f00533f5f/2f533a934d18c7bf852570bb00542abf?OpenDocument)

Canadian Kennel Club (CKC): has a Terrier Group, does not subdivide terriers into categories. (http://www.ckc.ca/en/Default.aspx?tabid=99&groupCode=04)

Japan Kennel Club: has a Terrier Group, does not subdivide terriers into categories. http://www.jkc.or.jp/modules/worlddogs/category.php?categoryID=3

I would suggest eliminating the sections altogether as they are not generally used. Alternately, the FCI sections would be more in keeping with Wikipedia's use of no original research and striving for verifiable accuracy. Hafwyn (talk) 23:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Groupings

I believe the grouping of terrier breeds by FCI section is too restrictive, I can see the intent which is an obvious improvement upon the previous groupings, but it is too focused on the European breeds and the show dog fanciers groupings to the detriment of the working and general pet owning communities.

Instead I propose grouping the breeds into:

• Working terriers, with sub-groups of:
  • Long legged
  • Short legged
• Bull breeds
• Toy breeds
• Miscellaneous (if required)
• Types
• Extinct breeds

Cavalryman V31 (talk) 00:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC)