Template talk:Universities in British Columbia/Archive 1

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I disagree, BCOU is a University. They grant degrees, and the whole nine yards, which is soon to be absorbed by Thompson Rivers University. As for TWU, where does it say it can't be in the template? Spinboy 03:13, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

See the definition of university - "A university provides both tertiary and quaternary education." The word "university" is one that is quite highly protected by the Canadian government and is not limited solely to "degree-granting institutions." In fact, many community colleges offer degree programs but would not be considered by anyone to be universities.

There are many "Universities" in Canada that are recognized that don't offer graduate programs. Spinboy 03:32, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Um... which ones? They would not be a "university" if that were the case. That is kind of the point I was getting at. Darkcore 04:15, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I believe Nipissing University has no graduate programs, and for the longest time after becoming a University, Ryerson University had no graduate programs either. Spinboy 04:31, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You are incorrect about Nipissing. They have graduate programs in education. Darkcore 04:39, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I stand corrected on that one then. But the point is still made. I'm sure there are other examples out there that I have probably missed. Spinboy 04:42, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Actually, your point has not really been made IMO. Your definition of a university is vague. As for UOIT, they may not have graduate programs specifically but they do have five-year professional programs in engineering, which go beyond the typical three- or four-year experience of university colleges (which, I would argue, is what BCOU is) and must be accredited by the PEO. Certainly calling any "degree-granting institution" a university is false. Darkcore 04:52, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Your origional argument was saying they have to have graduate programs to be a "University". Now you're saying they have to either have that, or five year programs? That makes no sense. And certainly their engneineering is accredited by PEO, as most Engineering programs are. But they are a "University" and BCOU was created by the Government of BC. If it were a private university, then I might think otherwise. But it's a public university. Spinboy 04:59, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Now you're the one that's not making sense. Somehow, if it's created by the government, that legitimates its existence and makes it a university? But if it's private, it's somehow not a university? Try telling that to your American neighbours and see what they think about that. Just because the government created the school does not make it a university.

As for the five-year program thing, it was not so much the fact that it was five years as much as it was the fact that it has professional programs, whereas BCOU does not. Professional programs fall somewhere between tertiary and quarternary education. Anyway, whatever. It's just a template. I don't care *this* much. If you are so determined to have it listed there then fine. Darkcore 05:15, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Let's also not forget University of Ontario Institute of Technology They have no grad programs either. 04:33, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Mount Allison University, Saint Thomas University have no graduate programs. Spinboy 05:10, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

As for TWU, I never said that it should not be in the template. I said that it should be separated out under another header, i.e., "Private universities" or "Religious universities" so as not to mislead people into thinking that its mandate, as an educational institution, is the same as the other schools on this list. Darkcore 03:23, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

That's a good idea. It could also be done for other provinces templates too. Spinboy 03:32, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Size

This template is rather large for the info in conveys, I'll be back to reduce it a little. --Commander Keane 14:00, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

FDU

I removed it, according to the user that put up the template in the FDU article the campus does not open up until 2007. [1]--Jersey Devil 18:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed it again unless they plan to include this template in the article. I saw no evidence of them being in BC. GreenJoe 04:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)